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  Subject:   The Hotline Users Digest #58 - 03/12/97
  To:            Geoff Le Feuvre
                 The Hotline Users Mailing List <Hotline@lists.fwparker.org>,Internet
The Hotline Users Digest #58 - Wednesday, March 12, 1997

  Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  Philipp Conrad <phil@theconrads.com>
  Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  Phil Hilton <phil@hotlinesw.com>
  Suggestion for HotLine Client
          by  Fredrik Pettersson <fredrikp@hem.passagen.se>
  Re: Suggestion for HotLine Client
          by  Nick Bonfatti <nick@ziplink.net>
  Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Suggestion for HotLine Client
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  David Creech <d-creech@students.uiuc.edu>
  Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22togtog=83=81_=28Paul_Ramsey=29=22?= <togtog
  Re: Hotline Server Questions
          by  Ariel <ariel@voicenet.com>
  HL Port
          by  <rafib@earthlink.net>
  Re: The Hotline Users Digest #55 - 03/11/97
          by  Jim LeBarr <jim1@wired2.net>
  Re: Files
          by  fletchie <fletchie@mcs.com>
  Re: HL Port
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: HL Port
          by  Phil Hilton <phil@hotlinesw.com>
  Re: HL Port
          by  Bill Manning <crash@apeleon.net>
  Re: Suggestion for HotLine Client
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: HL Port
          by  Zorkian <zorkian@earthling.net>
  Re: HL Port
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: HL Port
          by  Jason Yates <bit@cyberstreet.com>


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Subject: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: Philipp Conrad <phil@theconrads.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 09:05:55 -0600

Hey everybody....  It's been a while since I've posted here... hehehe..  
Don't worry, I'm reading.


Alright... since Hinks is still doing some code for B21 (I believe) I'm 
trying to get him to pop a little feature in that I think would be worth 
it for a lot of people.  It does take some explaining, so turn off your 
TV's (I need 100% of your attention  :-)   ).


B21 includes a nice little feature which tells you when you send a 
message to somebody that isn't currently online (i.e.  somebody that left 
while you were typing in the private message).  It sais something silly 
like "Are you trying to trick me into sending a message to somebody that 
doesn't exist?"  :-)

Well, that's all good, but sometimes (this includes all prior versions) 
your message was really important and you can't recreate those passionate 
words you just typed in.  In other words, you just lost your possibly 
lenthy information.  What most of us do in this case (and I KNOW all of 
you have exprienced this....don't even try to tell me you haven't, cause 
I will laugh at you) is whip up an email message to whoever it may be and 
give him the information.

Now that you understand the problem, it would be really nice if Hotline 
generated a text file called "Dead Messages" in the Hotline Client folder 
which would contain a list, in the style of the News file, private 
message that didn't get through.  That way you can pop open the text file 
and retrieve that very important message, which you wrote ever so 
elegantly, and paste it right into your favorite email client (EMAILER 
2.0!!!!).


I'm pretty sure Hinks thinks it's a good idea, but I think he's a little 
hesitant.  Maybe if we all encourage him to do this (gotta love 
democracy) he will implement it.  I don't see why not, and I know that at 
least a handfull of people will find it usefull.  It's always these kind 
of features which make users say "ooohhh.... so smart!".

Well, that's all.  You can turn your TV back on now.  Don't forget to 
mail Hinks, <hinks@netspace.net.au>, in support of the "Dead Messages" 
file.

                                  .:::.
                                  (o o) 
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 |   saying 'nice doggy' until   |   http://www.tezcat.com/~cowboy/   |
 |   you can find a stick."      |         cowboy@tezcat.com          |
 |               - Takedown      |        phil@theconrads.com         |
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Subject: Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: phil@hotlinesw.com (Phil Hilton)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:21:14 -0500

>it would be really nice if Hotline
>generated a text file called "Dead Messages"

or even better.. it bounced the full msg back instead of just saying it
didn;t go through.....

I wouldn't mind holding down option while clicking on "relpy" and having it
quote the previous msg like e-mail clients do as well....



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Subject: Suggestion for HotLine Client
From: Fredrik Pettersson <fredrikp@hem.passagen.se>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 18:30:42 +0100

Hello!

I have a suggestion for the HotLine Client:

Couldn't the text of file which the download already begun be in a 
diffrent color. Then it should be esay to find them. Now I have about 40 
halves files in my download folder and I don't know which server I 
downloaded them from. Another solution is a list (like the Tracker list) 
of the halves files and then you should be able to connect to the server 
you begun to download the file on by way of to klick on the file in the 
file list.

sorry, my english isn't that it should be (I'm from Sweden)



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Subject: Re: Suggestion for HotLine Client
From: Nick Bonfatti <nick@ziplink.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:50:12 -0500

At 6:30 PM +0100 3/12/97, Fredrik Pettersson wrote:
>Hello!
>
>I have a suggestion for the HotLine Client:
>
>Couldn't the text of file which the download already begun be in a
>diffrent color. Then it should be esay to find them. Now I have about 40
>halves files in my download folder and I don't know which server I
>downloaded them from.

Wouldn't this cause major slowdown?  Not only getting the file list for a
particular folder, but comparing it against the forty filenames in the
"Downloads" folder...

>Another solution is a list (like the Tracker list)
>of the halves files and then you should be able to connect to the server
>you begun to download the file on by way of to klick on the file in the
>file list.
>

I like this idea better.

>sorry, my english isn't that it should be (I'm from Sweden)
>

S'okay.
>

--

Flies to wanton boys are as men to the gods;
They kill us for their sport.
 -Shakespeare

Fnord!
Nick Bonfatti



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Subject: Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 11:51:01 -0600

>Well, that's all.  You can turn your TV back on now.  Don't forget to 
>mail Hinks, <hinks@netspace.net.au>, in support of the "Dead Messages" 
>file.
What if when it realises that the person isn't online, it sends you a 
message saying so, and quoteing your message so you can copy and paste? 
That dead message files seems a little sloppy to me and would get bloated 
like the news. (wich is the other thing we need auto deletion of the news 
evey XX days)

--->  Michael Sheets         Infinite Designs
--->  911 Meadows Drive      msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Birmingham, AL 35235

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Suggestion for HotLine Client
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 11:51:04 -0600

>Couldn't the text of file which the download already begun be in a 
>diffrent color. Then it should be esay to find them. Now I have about 40 
>halves files in my download folder and I don't know which server I 
>downloaded them from. Another solution is a list (like the Tracker list) 
>of the halves files and then you should be able to connect to the server 
>you begun to download the file on by way of to klick on the file in the 
>file list.

It would have to get the list of file parts the survey every single time 
a window opened, it's not worth it (would lag you). Anyway why do you 
have that many partials?

--->  Michael Sheets         Infinite Designs
--->  911 Meadows Drive      msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Birmingham, AL 35235

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 11:51:09 -0600

>I wouldn't mind holding down option while clicking on "relpy" and having it
>quote the previous msg like e-mail clients do as well....

or like claris e-mailer it quotes the text selected only and you don't 
have to push option...

--->  Michael Sheets         Infinite Designs
--->  911 Meadows Drive      msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Birmingham, AL 35235

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: "David Creech" <d-creech@students.uiuc.edu>
Date: 12 Mar 97 12:02:27 +0000

> it would be really nice if Hotline 
>generated a text file called "Dead Messages" in the Hotline Client folder 
>which would contain a list, in the style of the News file, private 
>message that didn't get through. 



I like this idea- but why not just have an option to have all incoming and
outgoing private messages archived to file. I know Ive replied to a lot of
messages and later realized that there was something important that I didnt
copy down. It would be great to have an archive of all of your messages if
you want.

David



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Subject: Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22togtog=83=81_=28Paul_Ramsey=29=22?=
 <togtog@bewley.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:51:09 -0400

I'M ALL FOR IT!!!! I've been meaning to tell hinks to do something like
this for weeks.

hinks >> GO FOR IT!!!!!


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Subject: Re: Hotline Server Questions
From: Ariel <ariel@voicenet.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:40:02 +0000

>Hi!  I have a few questions about the Hotline Server Software.
>
>1.	I have a Hotline Server on an Intranet running on a 68K Machine.
>When I run the Hotline Tracker (v 1.0) at the same time on the same
>machine, the server starts to do what B19 did (the server will work fine
>for a little while, then slow to a crawl for a while, then work fine, etc.)
>Is there any solution?  Will B21 fix the problem?
>
>2.	How much should a Cable Modem cost?  I'm considering connecting my
>Hotline Server (My Server has all of the Mac Evangelism stuff,
>Applications, Games, Utilities, etc.  NO WAREZ!)  If anyone has a Cable
>Modem or has information on a Cable Modem, please tell me how much the
>Installation costed/costs, the 'Modem' itself costs (The Thing that hooks
>your Network to your Cable Line), and how much the service is.
>
>Thanks,
>Kevin Pfohl
>kspfohl@localnet.com
>bx924@freenet.buffalo.edu

Where I am..Cable modems are aprox. $50 a month with a $175 installation
fee.  You get unlimited time with one email, and no Web space.  The modem
is rented to you(included in the $50 monthly fee).  If you decide to
purchase the modem the monthly charge will be reduced.  This is through the
@Home Network(www.home.net)

Enjoy!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Ariel
ariel@voicenet.com
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=



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Subject: HL Port
From: <rafib@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 17:05:31 -0500

Hi,
  I have a suggestion:
When you make the PC version of Hotline have it use a diffrent port(s). 
That way, us mac users won't have to go through all these PC files.

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Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #55 - 03/11/97
From: jim1@wired2.net (Jim LeBarr)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:26:39 +0000

The Hotline Users Mailing List wrote:
> 
> The Hotline Users Digest #55 - Tuesday, March 11, 1997
> 
>   Re: AMBROSIA HOTLINE SERVER!!!
>           by  Burn <rcovert@wolfenet.com>
>   Remote News Editing
>           by  Sean Anker <sean@iepost.com>
>   Re: AMBROSIA HOTLINE SERVER!!!
>           by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
>   Re: AMBROSIA HOTLINE SERVER!!!
>           by  Burn <rcovert@wolfenet.com>
>   Roadfeldt Server
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
>   Re: Suggestions
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
>   Re: Suggestions (stress test)
>           by  fletchie <fletchie@mcs.com>
>   IMPORTANT EMAIL CHANGE
>           by  Krazynet Administration <admin1@krazynet.com>
>   Re: The Hotline Users Digest #54 - 03/10/97
>           by  bunney <bunney@cyberg8t.com>
>   Re: The Hotline Users Digest #54 - 03/10/97
>           by  Burn <rcovert@wolfenet.com>
>   Another idea...
>           by  Zorkian <zorkian@earthling.net>
>   Re: Files
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
>   Re: Toolbar...
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
>   Re: Server Sounds
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
>   GUI
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
>   Re: Files
>           by  Noah M. Daniels <ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu>
>   Re: Files
>           by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: AMBROSIA HOTLINE SERVER!!!
> From: Burn <rcovert@wolfenet.com>
> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:18:44 -0800
> 
> >>well...  Andrew, (aka - Moki) has FINALLY Setup a Hotline server. If he
> >>finds it's easy to maintain, and people use it, He'll keep it up...
> >>
> >>SO GO OVER THERE AND MAKE DAMN SURE HE DOES!!!! THAT'S AN ORDER!  :)
> >>
> >>hotline.ambrosiasw.com - OR - 206.27.96.215
> >
> >Well i've been talking with him and I suggested a file area where people
> >could upload files, avara maps, EV plugs, etc. and he didn't like the
> >idea saying it would just be something else to maintain unless he had
> >someone to do it, anyone like to volunteer?
> 
> Sure, I'll volunteer.  Why not?  I have gotten pretty good at it at Macline.
> 
> 
> ...........................................................
>  /|  _
> / | | |                     Adam Hinkley
> | |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
> |  _  | O T L I N E
> | | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
> |_| | |                     http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/
>     |/
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> End of The Hotline Users Digest


Please delete me from the list
thankyou
jim1@wired2.net

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Subject: Re: Files
From: fletchie <fletchie@mcs.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 17:12:12 -0000

>>Just do it like Exite. The server creats an index of the files and 
>>comments, and as uploads are made it just adds on to the index, that way 
>>it doesn't have to re-write the whole thing.
>
>easier said than done.

Hinks, you are the God of all comm software programers... I know you can 
do it

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Subject: Re: HL Port
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:29:18 +1100

>When you make the PC version of Hotline have it use a diffrent port(s). 
>That way, us mac users won't have to go through all these PC files.

No way, the PC version is going to be 100% compatibile with the mac and 
vice versa.  If you don't want to see PC stuff, then don't go to a PC 
server.

...........................................................
 /|  _
/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       adam@HotlineSW.com
|_| | |                     http://www.HotlineSW.com
    |/


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Subject: Re: HL Port
From: Phil Hilton <phil@hotlinesw.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:20:30 -0500

>>When you make the PC version of Hotline have it use a diffrent port(s).
>>That way, us mac users won't have to go through all these PC files.
>
>No way, the PC version is going to be 100% compatibile with the mac and
>vice versa.  If you don't want to see PC stuff, then don't go to a PC
>server.

of course teh idea of a "Do not allow PC clients to conect to server"
option is still in right???

;)



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Subject: Re: HL Port
From: Bill Manning <crash@apeleon.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:20:02 -0700

rafib@earthlink.net wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>   I have a suggestion:
> When you make the PC version of Hotline have it use a diffrent port(s).
> That way, us mac users won't have to go through all these PC files.

I would like, very much, to be able to run multiple servers on the same
machine (one for the world, one for my company internally, for example).
Would it be much trouble to change the port each server listens on? Can
it be done now?

--Bill Manning
  Apeleon Internet Services

  hotline://markab.apeleon.net

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Subject: Re: Suggestion for HotLine Client
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:37:56 +1100

>Now I have about 40 
>halves files in my download folder and I don't know which server I 
>downloaded them from.

b21 puts the address of the server into the finder comments.

...........................................................
 /|  _
/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       adam@HotlineSW.com
|_| | |                     http://www.HotlineSW.com
    |/


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Subject: Re: Feature Request (URGENT!!!)
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:39:49 +1100

>Well, that's all good, but sometimes (this includes all prior versions) 
>your message was really important and you can't recreate those passionate 
>words you just typed in.  In other words, you just lost your possibly 
>lenthy information.  What most of us do in this case (and I KNOW all of 
>you have exprienced this....don't even try to tell me you haven't, cause 
>I will laugh at you) is whip up an email message to whoever it may be and 
>give him the information.

When private chat is implemented, you'll be able to copy and paste it out 
of the private chat window just like you can with the current chat window.

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 /|  _
/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       adam@HotlineSW.com
|_| | |                     http://www.HotlineSW.com
    |/


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Subject: Re: HL Port
From: Zorkian <zorkian@earthling.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 19:31:59 -0500

>>When you make the PC version of Hotline have it use a diffrent port(s). 
>>That way, us mac users won't have to go through all these PC files.
>
>No way, the PC version is going to be 100% compatibile with the mac and 
>vice versa.  If you don't want to see PC stuff, then don't go to a PC 
>server.

I say keep it Mac-only... Gives the PCers a reason to wake up and buy a 
real computer.

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Subject: Re: HL Port
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:50:45 +1100

>I would like, very much, to be able to run multiple servers on the same
>machine (one for the world, one for my company internally, for example).
>Would it be much trouble to change the port each server listens on? Can
>it be done now?

It can't be done now, but it's something that's on my To Do list.

...........................................................
 /|  _
/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       adam@HotlineSW.com
|_| | |                     http://www.HotlineSW.com
    |/


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Subject: Re: HL Port
From: bit@cyberstreet.com (Jason Yates)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:57:15 +0000

Zorkian wrote:

>>No way, the PC version is going to be 100% compatibile with the mac and 
>>vice versa.  If you don't want to see PC stuff, then don't go to a PC 
>>server.

>I say keep it Mac-only... Gives the PCers a reason to wake up and buy a 
>real computer.

What sounds better: having a larger market for Hotline, or closing 80%
of potential users off because we think we're better than them?

-Jason

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End of The Hotline Users Digest


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