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  Subject:   The Hotline Users Digest #49 - 03/04/97
  To:            Geoff Le Feuvre
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The Hotline Users Digest #49 - Tuesday, March 4, 1997

  Webmaster needed at Hotline Communications!
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  hotline b20 causes disturbs on my monitor
          by  <fguarin@mbox.vol.it>
  Macline Team
          by  Bill Gots <billgots@hotmail.com>
  Re: I got hacked.
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: The Hotline Users Digest #47 - 02/28/97
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: hotline b20 causes disturbs on my monitor
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Toolbar Idea
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re:Toolbar Idea
          by  Philippe Martin <flip@bart.fr>
  Re: hotline b20 causes disturbs on my monitor
          by  Kevin Ballard <kevin@sb.org>
  Re: Toolbar Idea
          by  Kevin Ballard <kevin@sb.org>
  Re: Toolbar Idea
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Toolbar Idea
          by  Alan Goates <al@ucsd.edu>
  Tracker...
          by  Burn <rcovert@wolfenet.com>


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Subject: Webmaster needed at Hotline Communications!
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:07:19 -0500

Greetings ya'll!

     Hotline Communications is looking for a webmaster! If you're
interested, make a mok up web site and mail the URL to:
Cheesy@cybertours.com  We will evaluate it, and concider it your resume.
This is NON - PAYING position (as of now, might change down the road) It is
hawever urgent that we find a webmaster VERY SOON, as we MUST have a (real)
website up by tues at the LATEST.

     Here's you chance to get involved!

____________________________
Phil Hilton
Director of Public Relations
Hotline Communications



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Subject: hotline b20 causes disturbs on my monitor
From: <fguarin@mbox.vol.it>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 97 21:11:20 +0100

I have noted that when i'm running hotline client (and only in that 
condition), some disturbs may appear on my screen, as small degauss or 
refresh (visible) of the screen.
I was disappointed of that problem.
This disturb is specially present when i'm on a site with many users 
logged on and therefore with frequent logins and logouts.
Is there anyone has this problem  ???

Bye

Fabrizio

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Subject: Macline Team
From: "Bill Gots" <billgots@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 10:05:37 -0800 (PST)

Hiya,
   The Philipp Conrad listed under the Macline Team on the Hotline Info screen
wouldn't be Philipp Todd Conrad would it?

Query,
Bill Gots
an old friend of P.T. Conrad


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Subject: Re: I got hacked.
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:50:31 +1100

>People that can hack your server can also change the abilities so that's 
>useless. Maybe the person hacked your server by guessing the Admin 
>Password. That is the most likely thing. Next time use a VERY obscure 
>password like maybe your name and then a huge number (Kevin8596).

That's not very secure.  Something like FSPyNZYKifWIh3oqG0wo is good.  
b21 now randomly generates a default password like that one when you hit 
New User.

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/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
|_| | |                     http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/
    |/


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Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #47 - 02/28/97
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:43:30 +1100

>his handle is Kinetico . I talked to him briefly on Pagehaus. Hes an 
>immature prankster. Hes doing it to multiple systems, so I dont think its 
>guesswork.
>His MO is to trash everything, or encourage others to do so.

Someone suck up to him - tell him how good a hacker he must be - and then 
ask him how he does it, then tell me :)

Actually, if you see him, tell him this:  I challenge you to break into 
my server!  203.21.125.42    break into it!

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 /|  _
/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
|_| | |                     http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/
    |/


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Subject: Re: hotline b20 causes disturbs on my monitor
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:35:18 +1100

>I have noted that when i'm running hotline client (and only in that 
>condition), some disturbs may appear on my screen, as small degauss or 
>refresh (visible) of the screen.

This is not a problem with Hotline - rather your video card is not a 
particularly good one.

Let me guess, you have a Performa?

There is a special type of task in the MacOS called a vertical blanking 
task.  This task is responsible for refreshing the screen display.  To 
have absolutely no flicker, a program would have to draw itself in 
between two refreshes.  However, the refresh occurs at least once every 
60th of a second, resulting in situations where the screen refreshes 
while the program is only half finished drawing.  This results in the 
disturbance you see.

So there is nothing I can do about it.  The only solution is to get a 
better video card.

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 /|  _
/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
|_| | |                     http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/
    |/


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Subject: Toolbar Idea
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:24:48 +1100

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Attached is a picture of a toolbar.  I am considering replaceing the 
default toolbar with this one, which has a number of advantages.  Custom 
toolbars would continue to be supported ofcourse.  Have a look at the pic 
and tell me what you think.

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/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
|_| | |                     http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/
    |/

--Emailer_-1323952364
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Subject: Re:Toolbar Idea
From: Philippe Martin <flip@bart.fr>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:36:25 +0100 (MET)

Hi all,

At 23:24 -0000 on 2/03/97, Adam Hinkley wrote:


> Attached is a picture of a toolbar.  I am considering replaceing the
> default toolbar with this one, which has a number of advantages.  Custom
> toolbars would continue to be supported ofcourse.  Have a look at the pic
> and tell me what you think.
>

Hey, looks very cool!
Huh... but what about a vertical icon only bar?
Edit toolbar buttons looks great (I mean their functions, of course).
About hilite on mouse dowwn... why don't you use a classical pressed
button? Since the button looks like a button, most user will expect it to
act as a button. Would be different on a toolbar like... how is it
called?... the one on Hotline's web page...
Oh, and there's no button for tracker window. Why not?

flip

____________________________________________________________________
 Philippe (FL!P) MARTIN
 mailto:flip@bart.fr
 http://www.bart.fr/~flip/
 Rejoignez CITADEL EF-France   http://www.citadeleff.org/



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Subject: Re: hotline b20 causes disturbs on my monitor
From: Kevin Ballard <kevin@sb.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 15:00:14 -0500

>I have noted that when i'm running hotline client (and only in that 
>condition), some disturbs may appear on my screen, as small degauss or 
>refresh (visible) of the screen.
>I was disappointed of that problem.
>This disturb is specially present when i'm on a site with many users 
>logged on and therefore with frequent logins and logouts.
>Is there anyone has this problem  ???

I have not had this problem. I'm sorry but I can't help you.


           -Kevin Ballard

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KEVIN BALLARD
Internet Email-Kevin@sb.org
AOL Email-Kevinmunk@aol.com
Internet web page-http://www.sb.org/kevin/
Hotline Server-Slartibartfast.sb.org OR 207.60.167.130
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Subject: Re: Toolbar Idea
From: Kevin Ballard <kevin@sb.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 15:03:23 -0500

>Attached is a picture of a toolbar.  I am considering replaceing the 
>default toolbar with this one, which has a number of advantages.  Custom 
>toolbars would continue to be supported ofcourse.  Have a look at the pic 
>and tell me what you think.

I like your idea. Would this be for B21?

P.S. Remember, I sent you (Adam Hinkley) my hotline address and my icon. 
Please implement them in B21.


           -Kevin Ballard

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KEVIN BALLARD
Internet Email-Kevin@sb.org
AOL Email-Kevinmunk@aol.com
Internet web page-http://www.sb.org/kevin/
Hotline Server-Slartibartfast.sb.org OR 207.60.167.130
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Subject: Re: Toolbar Idea
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 14:33:11 -0600

>P.S. Remember, I sent you (Adam Hinkley) my hotline address and my icon. 
>Please implement them in B21.

I'm getting sorta tired of this, everyone can NOT have thier own icon it 
would make hotline too big. Hinks will review your icon and if he thinks 
it's good it will be included, and if it is included you can't claim it 
as "your" icon you cotributed it for the hotline comunity to use.
Two, every server can't be included with hotline either the big main 
one's allready are.
Three, I'm getting tired of people saying that everyone should d/l 
"XXXXXX face file" you aren't going to get everyone to, so why use an 
icon that most people won't see? I've met people that follow someone's 
lead and don't know that 90% of the people can't see thier icon.

My ranting is done foe the day....

--->  Michael Sheets       Infinite Designs
--->  5559 Spanish Trace   msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Pinson, AL 35126

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Toolbar Idea
From: Alan Goates <al@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:26:46 -0800

New toolbar rocks! Put it in b22...  ;)

AL-G.

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http://insci2.ucsd.edu/~agoates/



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Subject: Tracker...
From: Burn <rcovert@wolfenet.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:11:54 -0800

Heya,
   Please set your trackers to macline.fwparker.org until Roadfeldt gets
back up.  Thank you.

______________________________
Trevor Covert (a.k.a. "Burn")
rcovert@wolfenet.com
Macline Co-Administrator

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