Wednesday, February 12, 1997 9:11:27 PM Message From: The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #39 - 02/12/97 To: Geoff Le Feuvre The Hotline Users Mailing List ,Internet The Hotline Users Digest #39 - Wednesday, February 12, 1997 Re: Totally new idea!!! by Huck Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Please weap me from your mail list by Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Noah Daniels How do I do it? by Evette Ogden Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Re: Hotline Nickname Registry News by David Murphy Hotline requests by Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Terry Gregory Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Fletcher Rothkopf The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help by David Murphy Re: The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help by Joe DeVries Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Huck Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Noah Daniels Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) by Adam Hinkley Re: The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help by Fletcher Rothkopf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!! From: Huck Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 03:46:30 -0400 > That wouldn't do much good, there is a law that says that a program can not make invisible files ..... what the "HECK" are you talking about ... what law, which law, set by whom, what country and pft! balony. Go open resedit and see all the invisible filez there now with out permission or notification. There is no law and never will be. What is the charge for such a crime anyway? - internet access privlages rovoked for a month. Where did you hear such drivel. eg, virex, appleshare, norton, even e-cards??? poorly done tidbit, togtog. jr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: pramsey@mail.tds.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:05:18 -0400 >> That wouldn't do much good, there is a law that says that a program can >>not make invisible files ..... > > > >what the "HECK" are you talking about ... what law, which law, set by >whom, what country and pft! balony. Go open resedit and see all the >invisible filez there now with out permission or notification. There is >no law and never will be. What is the charge for such a crime anyway? - >internet access privileges rovoked for a month. >Where did you hear such drivel. I am talking about the law that the USA government passed for protection with possible computer virii. Its going to take me a bit to find the document but feel free to check the MacAddict CD's it was on one of them, in a READ ME doc. I think it is like the copyright on videotapes, there is still a USA law thats says you can't copy video tapes but no one really cares. Hotline is Adam Hinkleys first large program, a program in which makes it very easy for pirates to trade software, with this it doesn't take a super wiz to know that the FBI will be looking for ANY LITTLE REASON to stop Adam from making Hotline, they might even put him in jail. Even if they only give a warning, Adam doesn't need the bad publicity this early in the game but I'm sure you could care less. If you still don't believe me then I don't really care and you can always go look for yourself but please leave me and everyone else alone. PS- May I suggest that you, a person who doesn't seem to know much about programming(by the last question you asked hinks) and such laws to not insult people who do claim to know such things. After all, who told you that there wasn't a law? **-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**-_**- IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE MUST reply to this do it privately so these poor people who don't care about all this don't get a crap load of emails. If you can't find my email address on here it is pramsey@mail.tds.net . - - - - _ _ | | | | __| |__ ________ ________ __| |__ ________ ________ |__ __| | ____ | | ____ | |__ __| | ____ | | ____ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ---- | | ---- | | | | ---- | | ---- | -- -------- ------| | -- -------- ------| | __ | | __ | | \ \__| | \ \__| | \____| \____| pramsey@mail.tds.net togtog@hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Please weap me from your mail list From: roniben@inter.net.il Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:38:25 +0200 dear sir, Please weap me off your list and NOW! roniben@inter.net.il ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: Noah Daniels Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:09:52 -0500 >Hotline is Adam Hinkleys first large program, a program in which makes it >very easy for pirates to trade software, with this it doesn't take a super >wiz to know that the FBI will be looking for ANY LITTLE REASON to stop Adam >from making Hotline, they might even put him in jail. Even if they only >give a warning, Adam doesn't need the bad publicity this early in the game >but I'm sure you could care less. > Well, the FBI hasn't started jailing software authors yet, but more importantly, Hinks is pretty safe from the FBI... "half a world away..." :-) -- Noah M. Daniels ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~ndaniel1/ "He was a brave man who first ate an oyster" - Jonathan Swift "'Internet' is the 'snausage' word of the 90's." - Ben Vigoda '96 "Wonder is the feeling of a philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder" - Socrates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: How do I do it? From: Evette Ogden Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 07:06:27 -0800 ase tell me how to unsubscribe...I forgot. I thought that this would be a list of people exchanging IP's of Hotline Servers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: pramsey@mail.tds.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:35:46 -0400 >Well, the FBI hasn't started jailing software authors yet, but more >importantly, Hinks is pretty safe from the FBI... "half a world away..." :-) >Noah Ah but I do believe that the FBI can stop him from selling it to US computer users but I can't be sure. - - - - _ _ | | | | __| |__ ________ ________ __| |__ ________ ________ |__ __| | ____ | | ____ | |__ __| | ____ | | ____ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ---- | | ---- | | | | ---- | | ---- | -- -------- ------| | -- -------- ------| | __ | | __ | | \ \__| | \ \__| | \____| \____| pramsey@mail.tds.net togtog@hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotline Nickname Registry News From: David Murphy Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 12:11:17 -0500 >Can you fill me in on the details, I missed the original post. Thx. There was't really any post that my message was replying to--I was bringing people up to date regarding the Hotline Nickname Registry (HNR), which I host on my site. The HNR can be accessed at: . The Hotline Nickname Registry is a place where people can submit information so that other Hotline users will know who you are. The Hotline Nickname Registry currently lists your nickname, real name, e-mail address, and web address. You don't have to submit all information; you don't even have to submit at all. However, I'd sure appreciate it if you do! Cheers, --David M. ____________ ________________________________________ David Murphy <"David Murphy" davidmurphy@earthlink.net> Walt Whitman High School <"David Murphy" dmurphy@whitman.gmu.edu> Bethesda, Maryland, USA New! Hotline Nick. Reg: New! Homeschooling info: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hotline requests From: djbeej@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:16:13 -0800 [ ] Hotline Client 68K [X] Hotline Client PPC [ ] Hotline Server 68K [X] Hotline Server PPC [ ] Hotline Tracker 68K [X] Hotline Tracker PPC I have a static IP address. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: Terry Gregory Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 15:24:32 -0700 On 2/12/97 8:35 AM, pramsey@mail.tds.net uttered the following: >>Well, the FBI hasn't started jailing software authors yet, but more >>importantly, Hinks is pretty safe from the FBI... "half a world away..." :-) >>Noah > >Ah but I do believe that the FBI can stop him from selling it to US >computer users but I can't be sure. And I suppose they should prevent the sale of VCRs in the US because they encourage piracy of movies. They should ban the sale of large hard drives because they enable people to run large servers for the distribution of copyright material. They should arrest all the engineers of car companies who developed cars because cars are used to transport contraband goods. How about preventing the sale of Ginsu knives because someone may use one as a weapon to kill? Hotline is a communication program that does not promote any sort of illegal activity. If someone were to use it for illegal activity, is beyond Adam's control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: Fletcher Rothkopf Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 16:36:45 -0000 >Hotline is a communication program that does not promote any sort of >illegal activity. Well... there R a bunch of warez servers out there.... but that's beyond the point. ---------------------------------------------- Fletcher Rothkopf Fletch's E-Mail: fletchie@mcs.com fletchie@rothkopf.com optik@tezcat.com Fletch's Funhouse: Http://www.tezcat.com/~optik PlEaSe IgNoRe AlL SpElLiNg ErRoRs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help From: David Murphy Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 18:08:28 -0500 Your attention, please: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Hotline Nickname Registry needs your help! I, your webmaster for today, am too busy to continue updating the list by hand. I now have over 100 entries backlogged... I need to find a way to automate the process (at least partially). At the moment, I copy and paste information between E-mailer and Claris Home Page, at the expense of much time and stress on my hands. I need a better way! Otherwise the list of Hotline Users will disappear. If you have any ideas regarding the automation of updates, please share them with me. (See my sig for my e-mail address, as well as the URL for the Hotline Nick Reg.) --David M. ____________ ________________________________________ David Murphy <"David Murphy" davidmurphy@earthlink.net> Walt Whitman High School <"David Murphy" dmurphy@whitman.gmu.edu> Bethesda, Maryland, USA New! Hotline Nick. Reg: New! Homeschooling info: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help From: "Joe DeVries" Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:20:46 -0500 I can help you I will make an automator but there is one thing I will need to run it because I will run it on a IBM ---------- > From: David Murphy > To: Hotline Users > Subject: The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help > Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 6:08 PM > > Your attention, please: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > The Hotline Nickname Registry needs your help! I, your webmaster for > today, am too busy to continue updating the list by hand. I now have over > 100 entries backlogged... > > I need to find a way to automate the process (at least partially). At the > moment, I copy and paste information between E-mailer and Claris Home > Page, at the expense of much time and stress on my hands. I need a better > way! Otherwise the list of Hotline Users will disappear. > > If you have any ideas regarding the automation of updates, please share > them with me. > > (See my sig for my e-mail address, as well as the URL for the Hotline > Nick Reg.) > > --David M. > ____________ ________________________________________ > David Murphy <"David Murphy" davidmurphy@earthlink.net> > Walt Whitman High School <"David Murphy" dmurphy@whitman.gmu.edu> > Bethesda, Maryland, USA > New! Hotline Nick. Reg: > New! Homeschooling info: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: Huck Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:11:09 -0400 To all listeees, Sorry folks but I feel misinformation should not be unchecked. Personally, I am tired of the disregard for fact pramsey@mail.tds.net displays on a regular basis. For that reason and also because this list generates no valuable information (for me), I am unsubbing from the Hotline Mailing list like many others before me...possibly for similar reasons. I have joined the ranks of the imature by responding in this way but what the hell I won't be here. So feel free totrash this if you wish. I owe ya all a little bandwith. Anyone who wants to claim one of the 2400 baud modem I offer as restitution, please emial me directlly and it will be shipped pronto (shipping charges not incl.) To Tog Tog and anyone interested, Oh you poor bewildered boy. You are definately a product of the society the Unied States has imposed upon you. I guess you don't spit on the sidewalk either for fear of big brother snatching you up and removing your salvatory glands. I flame you not for your stupidity but rather because of your obvious ignorance. I also chuckle when I write this but at the same time shake my head in sorrow to think people can be such sheep. pramsey@mail.tds.net wrote: > I am talking about the law that the USA government passed..... Even If you are right, (which is possible considering where you live)......Well... zippity doo da! You seem to mistake the USA for the entire world. You may also be surprised to know that there a few software programmers who are not American, Adam being one of them. How does a U.S. law have any relevence or jurisdiction over an Australian citizen conducting himself in his own country??? Even if Adam was refining Opium in China the US gov't couldn't do jack. Every bit of American law regarding the computer industry is tyranical ink scratches of B.S. and hold no water. Your government is terrified that when people communicate without the vapourcensorship (rhymes with whopper =) to control the information they will become informed and no longer manipulpateable, like you =). I don't see any other country aside from Singapore who are trying to stifle the communication of their people as much as the "Land of the FREE?". ie Encryption software export and Clinton's premature miscalculation of challenging the free speech laws carved by your less greedy fore fathers. (BTW don't spit on the street in Singapore you WILL get lashes for a first offense). > Its going to take me a bit to find the document..... I encourage you to do so and next time do it BEFORE you post such a bold claim. > Hotline is Adam Hinkleys first large program, a program in which makes it very easy for pirates to trade software. Oh ya!... this makes so much sense now , whats a modem BTW? Think BOY!!@!!!What about FTP, Netscape, TB2, ARA, WANs, First class, PC ANywhere, Remotely possible, Reach out, Mirabili and even removable media, CD rom burners. .....jeepers creepers!!!! MUSt I go on? > with this it doesn't take a super wiz which obviously you are not =)> >to know that the FBI will be looking for ANY LITTLE REASON to stop Adam > from making Hotline, they might even put him in jail. Again I must salute your naievity... First of all as I said prior , the FBI or any American law has no jurisdiction over Adam Hinkley because he is is not committing any crime where he resides. He is in Australia and must I remind you that Australia is not a U.S. state. Besides I think the FBI has better things do like investigating OJ Simpson or playing paintball. Secondly it is not the application that causes piracy just like cars don't cause drunk drivers, or guns cause war (you may relate to that one as an American;) How people use or misuse a product is the responsibility of the user. ie. if I made a ginsu knife that was sharp enough to cut steel and someone went out and killed 10 people with it, I am not liable for damages or breaking any law. > Even if they only give a warning, Adam doesn't need the bad publicity > this early in the game but I'm sure you could care less. On the contrary, my dear boy. I care very much what happens to Adam and Hotline, but that is none of your business. You obvious know as much about PR as you do the law. RULE #1 ANY PR is good PR. If Adam was to become a target as you seem to think and was smeared all over the media, what do you think the reaction from the internet community would be? It would become an obvious controvery and thus people would talk about it. That , my friend , is a good PR. For example when a porn site is mentioned in the media as a bad thing their hits go up 10 fold. If the US banned Hotline like it was a cuban cigar people would desire it that much more..... > If you still don't believe me then I don't really care and you can always go look for yourself but please leave me and everyone else alone. Must I remind you that you brought this up and continue to keep it on the list. I keep it here because I do not your pile of misinformation to be the last word on the subject. > PS- May I suggest that you, a person who doesn't seem to know much about programming(by the last question you asked hinks) and such laws to not insult people who do claim to know such things. After all, who told you that there wasn't a law? Well of course Mr Tog Tog not that your request makes any sense. 1) what does programming have to do with it and what question would that be el'capitaine programmer. 2) How have YOU been insulted, rather it would be an insult to let your jibberish go unchecked 3) I'll stop if you quit using your annoying sig. on every thought you message message to this list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: Noah Daniels Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:29:58 -0500 Well put, Huck... "I don't see any other country aside from Singapore who are trying to stifle the communication of their people as much as the "Land of the FREE?"" Don't you mean Land of the Fee? :-P -- Noah M. Daniels ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~ndaniel1/ "He was a brave man who first ate an oyster" - Jonathan Swift "'Internet' is the 'snausage' word of the 90's." - Ben Vigoda '96 "Wonder is the feeling of a philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder" - Socrates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Invisible file law. Was (Re: Totally new idea!!!) From: Adam Hinkley Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:58:02 +1100 >I am talking about the law that the USA government passed for protection >with possible computer virii. Its going to take me a bit to find the >document but feel free to check the MacAddict CD's it was on one of them, >in a READ ME doc. Uh no... an invisible data file is not a virus - it does not spread. Nor is it a trojan horse - it does nothing. >Hotline is Adam Hinkleys first large program, First public program. >a program in which makes it >very easy for pirates to trade software, with this it doesn't take a super >wiz to know that the FBI will be looking for ANY LITTLE REASON to stop Adam >from making Hotline, they might even put him in jail. Yes, I've got to be very careful. They've got Claris under tight surveillance - it appears that people have been using Claris Emailer to mail copyrighted software. Top secret reports indicate that the Netscape offices are bugged all over - apparently someone is using Navigator to view porn sites. Oh, and don't use Fetch!! I uncovered a secret FBI report explaining how Fetch covertly transfers your entire hard disk to a database on an FBI computer. Wait, I think someones been following me... there's someone at the door! Oh no! I forgot to lock it! The handles turning, and... AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Nick. Reg. Needs your help From: Fletcher Rothkopf Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 19:57:10 -0000 >If you have any ideas regarding the automation of updates, please share >them with me. Do you have a shell on your webserver? I'm sure there are some CGI scripts out there that can handle it. If not, i'll set it up. ---------------------------------------------- Fletcher Rothkopf Fletch's E-Mail: fletchie@mcs.com fletchie@rothkopf.com optik@tezcat.com Fletch's Funhouse: Http://www.tezcat.com/~optik PlEaSe IgNoRe AlL SpElLiNg ErRoRs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of The Hotline Users Digest --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from macline.fwparker.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.0) id VAA09780; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:24:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199702130224.VAA09780.9780@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> From: The Hotline Users Mailing List To: The Hotline Users Mailing List Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #39 - 02/12/97 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 20:11:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: Bulk X-ListServer: LetterRip 1.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc.