Wednesday, February 12, 1997 4:00:01 AM
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  Subject:   The Hotline Users Digest #38 - 02/12/97
  To:            Geoff Le Feuvre
                 The Hotline Users Mailing List <Hotline@lists.fwparker.org>,Internet
The Hotline Users Digest #38 - Wednesday, February 12, 1997

  Re: Totally new idea!!!
          by  Kevin Ying <kevin@mail.medbank.or.jp>
  Re: if you want b20 by mail
          by  Andrew <andrew17@venus.ttn.com.tw>
  Re: Totally new idea!!!
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: Totally new idea!!!
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Totally new idea!!!
          by  Jim Doolittle <doolittl@uiuc.edu>
  (no subject)
          by  Paul Berezanskiy <letoii@earthlink.net>
  Re:
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: if you want b20 by mail
          by  <cbundren@vcn.com>
  Re: if you want b20 by mail
          by  <XANiLOGx@aol.com>
  Re: if you want b20 by mail
          by  Mark Walker <Mrwalker@cris.com>
  STOP!
          by  (Kevin Pfohl) <kspfohl@localnet.com>
  Re: Multiple connections
          by  Huck <xinc@wwonline.com>


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Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!!
From: Kevin Ying <kevin@mail.medbank.or.jp>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:46:14 +0900 (JST)

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 togtog <pramsey@mail.tds.net> wrote:

> >>That wouldn't do much good, there is a law that says that a program can not
> >>make invisible files without telling the user(like in a read me doc) and
> >>there are a number a programs that can find invisible files and delete
> >>them.
> >
> Noah Daniels wrote:
> >
> >Hmm.. where does a read me doc mention the Desktop DB and Desktop DF files for
> >MacOS? I don't recall seeing any - I think I'll sue Apple :-P
> 
> Its not a very inforced law*, like the copyright on video tapes but 
> there is a law so its best for someone just starting out like hinks not 
> to fuck with it.
> 
I didn't know Hinks was "just starting out".  When one notices the 
quality of Hotline I doubt that he is new to application development.

*I doubt it's a law.  It is more probable that it is a recommended 
programming guideline that Apple states in the Apple developer documents 
when outlining how one should or should not design an Apple application.  
These would include such things as not fiddling with the default menu 
items such as "File", "Edit", and so on.

But, many developers including Connectix and Apple itself, have successfully 
sold their products without following the guidelines to the "T".

~~~                                                                
Kevin Ying                          Medical Bank Institute
Chief System Administrator          INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi 
kevin@medbank.or.jp                 Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan
(voice) 81-3-5570-7000              (fax) 81-3-5570-7100

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Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail
From: Andrew <andrew17@venus.ttn.com.tw>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 21:39:03 +0000

[ ] Hotline Client 68K
[X] Hotline Client PPC
[ ] Hotline Server 68K
[X] Hotline Server PPC
[ ] Hotline Tracker 68K
[X] Hotline Tracker PPC

Thank you, keep up the fine work =).
-QuickSilver

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Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!!
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:14:49 -0500

>I didn't know Hinks was "just starting out".  When one notices the
>quality of Hotline I doubt that he is new to application development.

Hotline is the first "Well know" application from hinks, which is reason
enough to stick to the rules. Corps are watchin Hotline with a magnifying
glass. There is NO room for error....



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Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!!
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:05:56 -0600

>>>That wouldn't do much good, there is a law that says that a program can not
>>>make invisible files without telling the user(like in a read me doc) and
>>>there are a number a programs that can find invisible files and delete
>>>them.
>>
>>
>>Hmm.. where does a read me doc mention the Desktop DB and Desktop DF files 
for
>>MacOS? I don't recall seeing any - I think I'll sue Apple :-P
>
>Its not a very inforced law, like the copyright on video tapes but there is
>a law so its best for someone just starting out like hinks not to fuck with
>it.

Well then every single Ambrosia program makes a invisible file so we all 
need to sue thm ;-)

--->  Michael Sheets       Infinite Designs
--->  5559 Spanish Trace   msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Pinson, AL 35126

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!!
From: Jim Doolittle <doolittl@uiuc.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:39:14 -0600

>
>Well then every single Ambrosia program makes a invisible file so we all
>need to sue thm ;-)
>

Hey now. :) I hardly think that's necessary. ;)

-Jim


Jim Doolittle          doolittl@uiuc.edu    or      gimli@avara.com
Don't interupt me as I struggle to complete this thought.==========
-They Might Be Giants============RSC Peer Consultant===============
===http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/doolittl===http://avara.com/~gimli===



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Subject: 
From: Paul Berezanskiy <letoii@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:41:54 +0000

> This action item is from:
> 
> <minow@apple.com> (Martin Minow)
> 
> A Swedish company, <http://www.infinit.se/hacke/crack.html> is offering a 
> 10,000 Swedish Kronor reward to the first person to attack and 
> successfully change information on one of their web servers. See their 
> English-language press release at 
> <http://www.infinit.se/hacke/release.html> for details and the URL of the 
> system to hack. The contest starts February 10, 1997 and runs through 
> April 10. At this writing (Feb 7), the system to attack is not visible to 
> my browser.
> 
> The company is a commercial Web site developer. They are using standard, 
> commercially available software: "The server will be a standard Apple 
> Internet Server Solution, upgraded with WebStar 2.0. No firewalls, no 
> router filter. Just an unprotected web server."
> 
> Reading between the lines, I would note that the Macintosh is generally 
> immune to the Unix-specific attacks (through SMTP and various TCP/IP 
> ports). My reading of their press release would disallow 
> denial-of-service attacks such as SYN flooding.
> 
> Martin Minow
> <minow@apple.com>

Sorry nothing to do wiht hotline but u should see this

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Subject: Re: 
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:48:16 -0500


>Sorry nothing to do wiht hotline but u should see this

umm, fraid not...

The bit about the FCC controling prices o nthe internet affects us all, but
this affects MAYBE 10 of us...


Next topic....



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Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail
From: cbundren@vcn.com
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:02:50 -0700

>NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET.  It will be released sometime this week.
>
>However, if you want b20 and future versions automatically mailed to you
>as soon as they're released, let me know.   Tell me what versions you
>want or I'll ignore your message.  Just tick the boxes you want:
>
>[x ] Hotline Client 68K
>[ x] Hotline Client PPC
>[ ] Hotline Server 68K
>[ ] Hotline Server PPC
>[ ] Hotline Tracker 68K
>[ ] Hotline Tracker PPC
>
>Note that you DO NOT need the tracker to get a listing of active servers
>- you use the client for that.  You only need the tracker if you actually
>want to run a tracker yourself (you must have a static IP and a permanent
>connection).  Just to make sure you're paying attention, I will ignore
>your request for the tracker unless you state that you understand that
>you do not need the tracker to get a listing of active servers.
>
>Hehe this is how get the most out of your ISP - send one mail message
>with an attached file and 100 "CC" addresses :)
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline <http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/>



Cory Bundren
cbundren@vcn.com



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Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail
From: XANiLOGx@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:23:51 -0500 (EST)

In the future do you think we could do the release-by-mail thing through
private mail instead of to the list? I get tired of getting a buncha mail
just of people saying "Send me it.."

-Jason

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Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail
From: Mark Walker <Mrwalker@cris.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:07:51 -0500 (EST)

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 XANiLOGx@aol.com wrote:

> In the future do you think we could do the release-by-mail thing through
> private mail instead of to the list? I get tired of getting a buncha mail
> just of people saying "Send me it.."
> 
> -Jason
> 
> 
Do you really? Hmm...well, there were many posts about it, saying to do
it private. Think they'll listen to you? Nah...


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Subject: STOP!
From: kspfohl@localnet.com (Kevin Pfohl)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:05:11 -0500

Stop sending requests for b20 to the mailing list!



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Subject: Re: Multiple connections
From: Huck <xinc@wwonline.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 03:38:41 -0400

I figured I would ask for the world again. =)>


Adam Hinkley wrote:

> Okay, it's already done.  The "Server" menu is your Application menu. AND, you can hide and show the apps/servers, or have multiple apps/servers visible on the screen at once!


Could you not also do that with users where all the people on the
servers end up on one list or a preffered list. The server they are on
is marked by some kind of logo.

I know I know. no way or maybe in 3.0

cheers folks,

jr

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