Saturday, February 10, 1996 8:57:27 PM Message From: The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #36 - 02/10/96 To: Geoff Le Feuvre The Hotline Users Mailing List ,Internet The Hotline Users Digest #36 - Saturday, February 10, 1996 Re: Bans: why not just use accounts?? by Phil Hilton Re: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y by Adam Hinkley Re: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y by Phil Hilton Re: if you want b20 by mail by SKHuNtR Re: Hotline Mentions/Web Site Suggestion by Ľukka! Re: if you want b20 by mail by lag Re: if you want b20 by mail by Tristan Barras Re: if you want b20 by mail by Benjamin Begeal Re: The final word on single/shared accounts by Michael Sheets Softs by e-mail by Tristan Barras Re: if you want b20 by mail by Brian Re: Totally new idea!!! by PYRo More Information: US Phone surcharge for Net Access by David Murphy Re: if you want b20 by mail by Craddock Re: if you want b20 by mail by Phil Hilton Re: if you want b20 by mail by Steve Weintraub Re: if you want b20 by mail by Craddock Re: Multiple connections by Adam Hinkley Re: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y by Ariel Re: if you want b20 by mail by Adam Hinkley Re: if you want b20 by mail by steve IF YOU WANTED b20 by mail by Adam Hinkley Re: Totally new idea!!! by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bans: why not just use accounts?? From: Phil Hilton Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 23:47:58 -0500 I would like to note that Macline uses an identicle system. EXACTLY the same setup. No problems here either. >Works well :) > >I have guest setup like this: > >Can Download Files >Can Read News >Can Read Chat >Can Send Chat > >And normal user accounts like this: > >Can Download Files >Can Uploads Files >Can Read News >Can Post News >Can Read Chat >Can Send Chat > >This setup could use a single-address 30 minute ban feature, but apart >from that, it works really well for me. Phil Hilton (Cheesy) - Co-Macline Admin _______________________________________________________________ ********************************************* * __ __ _ _ * * | \/ | __ _ ___| (_)_ __ ___ * * | |\/| |/ _` |/ __| | | '_ \ / _ \ * * | | | | (_| | (__| | | | | | __/ * * |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|_|_| |_|\___| * * ---------------------------------- * * - The OFFICIAL Macintosh Hotline Server - * * (http://macline.fwparker.org) * * * * macline@macline.fwparker.org * * * ********************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y From: Adam Hinkley Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 16:10:41 +1100 >Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose >per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend that your >usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. Does it matter? Given a year, won't the majority of people be using cable? ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y From: Phil Hilton Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:07:40 -0500 ANYWAY...... Moving on........ (1) hehehe (PR joke.. don't worry.. you didn't miss anything.....) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: SKHuNtR Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:45:17 -0800 Adam Hinkley wrote: > > NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET. It will be released sometime this week. > > However, if you want b20 and future versions automatically mailed to you > as soon as they're released, let me know. Tell me what versions you > want or I'll ignore your message. Just tick the boxes you want: > > [ ] Hotline Client 68K > [X] Hotline Client PPC > [ ] Hotline Server 68K > [X] Hotline Server PPC > [ ] Hotline Tracker 68K > [X] Hotline Tracker PPC > > Note that you DO NOT need the tracker to get a listing of active servers > - you use the client for that. You only need the tracker if you actually > want to run a tracker yourself (you must have a static IP and a permanent > connection). Just to make sure you're paying attention, I will ignore > your request for the tracker unless you state that you understand that > you do not need the tracker to get a listing of active servers. > > Hehe this is how get the most out of your ISP - send one mail message > with an attached file and 100 "CC" addresses :) > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline Yes, I understand you use the client to track active servers, and yes I have a static IP Thanks and keep up the fantastic work--SKHuNtR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotline Mentions/Web Site Suggestion From: "Ľukka!" Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:00:17 -0400 hey david when you find stuff like this in your net travels could you transfer them into a text file and post to the PR server. It would be a great service to the Hotline cause. To anyone else who finds write ups or mentions about Hotline I encourage you to please do the same. If you don't have PR access like David you can send them directly to Cheesy (phil), david, or myself to post on your behalf. All the assistance we can get will just help make Hotline a better product in the future. thanks everyone and keep up the good work. jr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: lag Date: Sun, 9 Feb 97 21:58:08 -0600 Adam Hinkley > >NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET. It will be released sometime this week. Just tick the boxes you want: > >[ ] Hotline Client 68K >[X] Hotline Client PPC >[ ] Hotline Server 68K >[X] Hotline Server PPC >[ ] Hotline Tracker 68K >[ ] Hotline Tracker PPC Thanks Adam...really looking forward to it....amazing piece of software...congratulations! l. burn@suba.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Tristan Barras Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:23:59 +0100 >NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET. It will be released sometime this week. >However, if you want b20 and future versions automatically mailed to you >as soon as they're released, let me know. Tell me what versions you >want or I'll ignore your message. Just tick the boxes you want: [X] Hotline Client 68K [X] Hotline Client PPC [ ] Hotline Server 68K [X] Hotline Server PPC [ ] Hotline Tracker 68K [X] Hotline Tracker PPC To : tbarras@logicity.ch Thank you ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Benjamin Begeal Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:32:24 -0400 >Adam Hinkley wrote: >> >> NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET. It will be released sometime this week. >> >> However, if you want b20 and future versions automatically mailed to you >> as soon as they're released, let me know. Tell me what versions you >> want or I'll ignore your message. Just tick the boxes you want: >> >> [ ] Hotline Client 68K >> [X] Hotline Client PPC >> [ ] Hotline Server 68K >> [X] Hotline Server PPC >> [ ] Hotline Tracker 68K >> [X] Hotline Tracker PPC >> >> >> Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > >Yes, I understand you use the client to track active servers, and yes I >have a static IP > >Thanks and keep up the fantastic work--SKHuNtR just to clarify hinks. Do you want the emails sent here or to you? I assume you because that would help cheesy and the rest of the mailing list people in that they wont recieve about 1000 requests for b20 thats my Big Mac and Quarter Pounder Joosus Crisco, aka Super Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The final word on single/shared accounts From: Michael Sheets Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 10:49:50 -0600 >Two clients are considered to be from the same computer if (a) they have >the same IP address, or (b) they have the same client ID. The client ID >is randomly generated once when the preferences file is created. YEA! he took my idea! ---> Michael Sheets Infinite Designs ---> 5559 Spanish Trace msheets@wwisp.com ---> Pinson, AL 35126 "For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Softs by e-mail From: Tristan Barras Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:32:42 +0100 >NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET. It will be released sometime this week. >However, if you want b20 and future versions automatically mailed to you >as soon as they're released, let me know. Tell me what versions you >want or I'll ignore your message. Just tick the boxes you want: [X] Hotline Client 68K [X] Hotline Client PPC [ ] Hotline Server 68K [X] Hotline Server PPC [ ] Hotline Tracker 68K [X] Hotline Tracker PPC To : tbarras@logicity.ch Thank you ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Brian Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:18:01 -0500 [ ] Hotline Client 68K [X] Hotline Client PPC [ ] Hotline Server 68K [ ] Hotline Server PPC [ ] Hotline Tracker 68K [ ] Hotline Tracker PPC Thank you, keep up the fine work =). -Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!! From: "PYRo" Date: 8 Feb 97 23:19:24 +0000 --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-00079310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, but what if you made the prefs file a *invisible* file, that is also named like 'sex___MASTER Prefs' er somethin..... >>No one would delete it IF it was in a place they rarely go, like >>HD:System Folder:Preferences:Hotline: >>I know newbies and non-pros have a way of deleting things they shouldn't >>but this should be all clear. > >Sure, the newbies won't delete it. But newbies don't cause problems and >don't need to be banned. > >The people that need to be banned are the ones who will quickly discover >that deleting the preferences file gets around the ban. > >_________________________________________________________ >___________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > > > > --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-00079310 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-00079311" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-00079311 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 12Palatinoyeah, but what if you made the prefs file a *invisible* file, that is also named like 'sex___MASTER Prefs' er somethin..... >>No one would delete it IF it was in a place they rarely go, like >>HD:System Folder:Preferences:Hotline: >>I know newbies and non-pros have a way of deleting things they shouldn't >>but this should be all clear. > >Sure, the newbies won't delete it. But newbies don't cause problems and >don't need to be banned. > >The people that need to be banned are the ones who will quickly discover >that deleting the preferences file gets around the ban. > >_________________________________________________________ >___________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline < > > > >12Palatino --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-00079311-- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-00079310-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: More Information: US Phone surcharge for Net Access From: David Murphy Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 17:02:35 -0500 Someone recently posted information to this list regarding a preposed su-charge on phone lines when used for internet access. details more information on how to voice your opinion--and be counted: >Filing Comments >Parties that wish to file formal comments in these proceedings should >follow the procedures set forth in the NPRM and NOI. General information >on filing comments with the FCC is also available. >You may also file informal comments electronically via e-mail to >access@fcc.gov for the Access Reform NPRM (CC Docket No. 96-262) and >isp@fcc.gov for the Internet Access & Information Service Provider NOI >(CC Docket No. 96-263). > >Only one copy of electronically-filed comments must be submitted. You >must put the docket number of the proceeding in the subject line, and >you also must note in the subject line if an electronic submission is an >exact copy of formal comments. You also must include your full name and >Postal Service mailing address in your submission. For those who missed it, here's what the FCC says about this issue: >Access Charge Reform NPRM >In this proceeding, the FCC seeks to reform its system of interstate >access charges to make that system compatible with the pro-competitive >deregulatory framework established by the Telecommunications Act of >1996. The NPRM includes several proposals for reform of the Commission's >existing access charge rate level policies. The Commission outlines two >possible approaches for addressing claims that existing access charge >levels are excessive, for establishing a transition to access charges >that more closely reflect economic costs, and for deregulating incumbent >LEC exchange access services as competition develops in the local >exchange and exchange access markets. Cheers, --David M. ____________ ________________________________________ David Murphy <"David Murphy" davidmurphy@earthlink.net> Walt Whitman High School <"David Murphy" dmurphy@whitman.gmu.edu> Bethesda, Maryland, USA New! Hotline Nick. Reg: New! Homeschooling info: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Craddock Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:37:03 -0500 >NO B20 IS NOT OUT YET. It will be released sometime this week. > >However, if you want b20 and future versions automatically mailed to you >as soon as they're released, let me know. Tell me what versions you >want or I'll ignore your message. Just tick the boxes you want: > >[ ] Hotline Client 68K >[X] Hotline Client PPC >[ ] Hotline Server 68K >[ ] Hotline Server PPC >[ ] Hotline Tracker 68K >[ ] Hotline Tracker PPC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Phil Hilton Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:45:29 -0500 Hers a thought...... how bout sending the requests to HINKS and not to the 324 other people on the list that don't give a damn? Hinks = hinks@netspace.net.au thanx *** Cheesy wonders why so many people are so careless about who they send their mail to..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Steve Weintraub Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 19:33:42 -0000 On 2/10/97 10:44 PM Phil Hilton had the nerve to say... >*** Cheesy wonders why so many people are so careless about who they send >their mail to..... Arlo: probably because they're lazy-ass little grunts! _____________________________________________________ Steve Weintaub Senior Manager, Catalogue Design Sotheby's, Inc. http://www.sothebys.com From the lush hills of Sweden...VaporOS! http://www.macconnect.com/~swein/vaporos.spml _____________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Craddock Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:37:50 -0500 >Hers a thought...... > >how bout sending the requests to HINKS and not to the 324 other people on >the list that don't give a damn? > >Hinks = hinks@netspace.net.au > > >thanx > > >*** Cheesy wonders why so many people are so careless about who they send >their mail to..... Probably because the Header says to reply to the list Cheezy, and Hinks makes no mention of sending to his personal address. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Multiple connections From: Adam Hinkley Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 11:50:48 +1100 >Maybe there could be a "Server" menu added that would list all the servers >you are connected to, with the one in front checked. to switch you would just >select one from that menu, and that servers windows would then pop up and the >others go away. this is an easy concept, i dont know how easy it would be to >implement though. Okay, it's already done. The "Server" menu is your Application menu. AND, you can hide and show the apps/servers, or have multiple apps/servers visible on the screen at once! ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y From: Ariel Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:57:04 -0500 (EST) I will...woo..if I'm lucky in April. Cable rulz..and it seems the FCC and phone companies are trying to get rid of us anyway...so we'll leave. Ariel >>Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose >>per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend that your >>usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. > >Does it matter? Given a year, won't the majority of people be using >cable? > >____________________________________________________________________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: Adam Hinkley Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:14:09 +1100 >just to clarify hinks. Do you want the emails sent here or to you? I >assume you because that would help cheesy and the rest of the mailing list >people in that they wont recieve about 1000 requests for b20 >thats my Big Mac and Quarter Pounder Sorry, I forgot to mention, mail me DIRECTLY, not the list. ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: if you want b20 by mail From: steve Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:15:46 -0400 =2E.. Tell me what versions you >want or I'll ignore your message. Just tick the boxes you want: > >[ ] Hotline Client 68K >[X] Hotline Client PPC >[ ] Hotline Server 68K >[X] Hotline Server PPC >[ ] Hotline Tracker 68K >[ ] Hotline Tracker PPC > >Note that you DO NOT need the tracker to get a listing of active servers >- you use the client for that. ....... to:steve@istar.ca thanx adam .. congrats from me on a good job a votre sant=E9 (good wishes for you) steve bissonnette ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: IF YOU WANTED b20 by mail From: Adam Hinkley Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:45:37 +1100 Okay, Cheesy has created new mailing lists for distributing Hotline. If you mailed me saying you wanted b20 my mail, please send a message to: requests@lists.fwparker.org And include one or more of these commands in the body of the message: Subscribe HotlineClientPPC Subscribe HotlineClient68K Subscribe HotlineServPPC Subscribe HotlineServ68K Subscribe HotlineTrackPPC Subscribe HotlineTrack68K ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!! From: pramsey@mail.tds.net Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:33:00 -0400 >>>No one would delete it IF it was in a place they rarely go, like >>>HD:System Folder:Preferences:Hotline: >>>I know newbies and non-pros have a way of deleting things they shouldn't >>>but this should be all clear. >> >>Sure, the newbies won't delete it. But newbies don't cause problems and >>don't need to be banned. >> >>The people that need to be banned are the ones who will quickly discover >>that deleting the preferences file gets around the ban. >yeah, but what if you made the prefs file a *invisible* file, that is also >named like 'sex___MASTER Prefs' er somethin..... That wouldn't do much good, there is a law that says that a program can not make invisible files without telling the user(like in a read me doc) and there are a number a programs that can find invisible files and delete them. -togtog - - - - __ __ | | | | __| |__ ________ ________ __| |__ ________ ________ |__ __| | ____ | | ____ | |__ __| | ____ | | ____ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ---- | | ---- | | | | ---- | | ---- | --- -------- ------| | --- -------- ------| | __ | | __ | | \ \__| | \ \__| | \____| \____| pramsey@mail.tds.net togtog@hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of The Hotline Users Digest --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from macline.fwparker.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.0) id VAA04772; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199702110203.VAA04772.4772@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> From: The Hotline Users Mailing List To: The Hotline Users Mailing List Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #36 - 02/10/96 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 96 19:57:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: Bulk X-ListServer: LetterRip 1.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc.