Sunday, February 9, 1997 7:26:28 PM
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  From:          The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet
  Subject:   The Hotline Users Digest #33 - 02/09/97
  To:            Geoff Le Feuvre
                 The Hotline Users Mailing List <Hotline@lists.fwparker.org>,Internet
The Hotline Users Digest #33 - Sunday, February 9, 1997

  Re: That was mature!
          by  Kevin Ying <kevin@mail.medbank.or.jp>
  Re: A few more suggestions
          by  PYRo <admin1@krazynet.com>
  Re: That was mature! Kevin and Phil please read
          by  <pramsey@mail.tds.net>
  Sorry!
          by  <pramsey@mail.tds.net>
  Re: Sorry!
          by  <pramsey@mail.tds.net>
  Re: The Secret Order of the Festive Squirrelz!!!!
          by  Kristin Ohnstad <rascal@cybergal.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  (tupper) <milk@best.com>
  Re: Sorry!
          by  Cerberus <Cerberus@sap.silcon.com>
  Multiple connections
          by  <s143303@studenti.ing.unipi.it>
  E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y
          by  Marc Gray <flash@macconnect.com>
  Re: Multiple connections
          by  Cerberus <Cerberus@sap.silcon.com>
  Re: Multiple connections
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>


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Subject: Re: That was mature!
From: Kevin Ying <kevin@mail.medbank.or.jp>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:00:43 +0900 (JST)


No matter how good your ideas appear to be, repeating the same message 
 SIX TIMES to the listserv is sure to get you auto-cancelled off any
mailing list.  YES... we heard it the first time... we didn't need to get
spammed six more times to hear all about your little wonderful idea. 

Your idea is not transparent.  It actually requires someone to put 
information correctly twice.  When using IRC, ircle, or Homer for the 
first time, newbies don't have to enter anything.  Sure, they get a silly 
default nickname but most of the time, his peers tell the new user what 
to do... or you RTFM.

If other listers want to discuss your idea, then they will post to the 
list and spark a discussion.  Notice how those who have discussed ideas 
replied to messages they decided were worth replying to and those they 
didn't consider as such did not receive a general reply.  Same goes for 
my message, Hinks' messages, Phil's messages, etc.  That's what a 
discussion list is for.

If you're so "manly", then why can't you accept the fact that no one else 
but yourself has publicly recognized that your idea is a sound one?  
You're really starting to sound ALOT like someone named Karl...

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 pramsey@mail.tds.net wrote:

> That was really mature Phil, canceling me from the mailing list like
> that. I don't stop that easy, not at all. Go ahead and cancel me again
> if you wish, I'll just subscribe again and again and again. If you make
> a filter for my messages, I'll just switch to a new address. I already
> said I was done with this, by canceling me you have caused me to send
> this message, wasting my and everyone elses time. Why don't you face me
> like a man? Instead of like a boy. You have your own mailing list, USE
> IT, give some ideas! My idea of forms doesn't scare away newbies, YOU
> DO. 
> 
> The way I see it, you haven't posted one idea about the way to fix the
> ban problems and until you do I don't think you have any right to cancel
> people from the mailing list just because you can't handle people having
> ideas you don't. Thats a really really bad way to view life, it will
> cause you to lose your friends, jobs and you hurt Hotline by it.
> 
> You are truely a wizard, the wizard of oz.
> 
> Ok, I think I have wasted enof time on this so I close with the
> following few words, "I just wonder how many other people you cancel
> because you don't like what they say."
> 

~~~                                                                
Kevin Ying                          Medical Bank Institute
Chief System Administrator          INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi 
kevin@medbank.or.jp                 Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan
(voice) 81-3-5570-7000              (fax) 81-3-5570-7100


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Subject: Re: A few more suggestions
From: "PYRo" <admin1@krazynet.com>
Date: 8 Feb 97 01:40:56 +0000


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this is a really good idea....
(FROM TOGTOG)
>
>Make it so people who want to use HL have to fill out a form with
there
>name and email address then you or a script takes the persons name,
>email address and encodes it, making a long number out of it, like
>35644235532563.
>Then you or the script emails the person the code within 5
minutes(while
>they are waiting they can be downloading HL).
>Ok so now the person has there code, now they lauch HL and it asks
for
>there name and code, they enter the info and hit the OK button.
>HL now stores that number in a pref file, in the System Folder, and
in
>ANY HL launched, making it VERY hard to delete the code.
>
>Every time HL is launched the number will be loaded into memory.
>
>If an admin wants to ban the person for a time then all they have to
do
>is click on the persons name, click the ban button and the code is
>recored on a list on the server.
>When the person trys to reconnect to the server, the server checks
the
>code and if it matches they get a friendy message saying "Sorry but
you
>have been banned from this server for _ minutes, please try again
then"
>
>




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<X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PARAM>Palatino</PARAM>this
is a really good idea....

(FROM TOGTOG)

>

>Make it so people who want to use HL have to fill out a form with
there

>name and email address then you or a script takes the persons name,

>email address and encodes it, making a long number out of it, like

>35644235532563.

>Then you or the script emails the person the code within 5
minutes(while

>they are waiting they can be downloading HL).

>Ok so now the person has there code, now they lauch HL and it asks
for

>there name and code, they enter the info and hit the OK button.

>HL now stores that number in a pref file, in the System Folder, and
in

>ANY HL launched, making it VERY hard to delete the code.

>

>Every time HL is launched the number will be loaded into memory.

>

>If an admin wants to ban the person for a time then all they have to
do

>is click on the persons name, click the ban button and the code is

>recored on a list on the server.

>When the person trys to reconnect to the server, the server checks
the

>code and if it matches they get a friendy message saying "Sorry but
you

>have been banned from this server for _ minutes, please try again
then"

>

></FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE><X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PA=
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Subject: Re: That was mature! Kevin and Phil please read
From: pramsey@mail.tds.net
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 05:28:29 -0500

=95=95=95=95 This isn't really a flame but it is long, so please take the=
 time
to read ALL of it so all this crap makes sense, k?

>No matter how good your ideas appear to be, repeating the same message=20
>SIX TIMES to the listserv is sure to get you auto-cancelled off any
>mailing list.
>YES... we heard it the first time... we didn't need to get
>spammed six more times to hear all about your little wonderful idea.=20
Sorry, I was simply replying to all the ban and ghost threads, didn't
mean to spam, won't happen again.

>Your idea is not transparent.  It actually requires someone to put=20
>information correctly twice.  When using IRC, ircle, or Homer for the=20
>first time, newbies don't have to enter anything.
Very good points but Hotline isn't IRC, maybe it would be better to wait
with the banning feature until more people joined. What do you think?

>If other listers want to discuss your idea, then they will post to the=20
>list and spark a discussion.  Notice how those who have discussed ideas=20
>replied to messages they decided were worth replying to and those they=20
>didn't consider as such did not receive a general reply.  Same goes for=20
>my message, Hinks' messages, Phil's messages, etc.  That's what a=20
>discussion list is for.

>If you're so "manly", then why can't you accept the fact that no one els=
e=20
>but yourself has publicly recognized that your idea is a sound one? =20
>You're really starting to sound ALOT like someone named Karl...
I never clamed to be manly, I never said I couldn't accept the fact that
no one else but myself had publicly recognized my idea, what I COULDN'T
accept was the fact them no one said anything really about my idea, no
one commented on it. I also COULDN'T accept that the head admin of this
mailing list(Phil), didn't even take the time to read my message.

You write a very very good letter, maybe Phil could learn something from
you, maybe I could too.
          I feel the need to explain WHY I posted my idea a second time
and why I flamed Phil. I wrote what I still think is a very good idea
and posted it. Soon after posting that, Phil basically told everyone to
shutup about all the ban, ghost stuff. Good bans ARE needed but it
seemed to me because Phils server is Macline and ML uses accounts that
he doesn't really care if bans are ever put in but other people
including myself feel that they are very much needed.
        After he told everyone to shut up, I wrote a flame to him for
that. Then his big comeback was reposting the 1 1/2 cons of my idea in a
message, I could very easily tell that he didn't read the whole post. I
CLEARLY explained a few key points and some how Phil missed them
completely. So I flamed him a second time for not even taking 30 seconds
to read my message.
It was Phils bad reading that caused this whole thing to blow up, I was
done posting but he just had to get his in.
Again I clearly state that I am sorry for posting my idea 6 times BUT
I'll burn in hell before I am sorry for flaming Phil, he had it coming.

PHIL, THIS NOTES FOR YOU> Phil, I could tell you didn't read my message
so I would have to say that you didn't read very many other peoples
messages, you read the first line, then the last line and you TRY to
guess what was in the middle of the message. You should NEVER reply to
and/or flame a post if you haven't read ALL OF IT, IF you don't
understand something, DON'T flame the person, ask them to explain the
parts you don't understand.

Sorry to make this so long, I should be done now, unless something else
happens :/

-togtog

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Subject: Sorry!
From: pramsey@mail.tds.net
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 10:11:07 -0500

I don't say sorry often in private and even less in public but I do feel
the need to say sorry to this mailing list so SORRY! Phil has privately
emailed me and he at last explained some of the inter workings of the
mailing list.

I just might shut my trap for awhile *cheers from everyone*.

I hope I didn't ruin this mailing list, goodbye.


-togtog

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Subject: Re: Sorry!
From: pramsey@mail.tds.net
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 11:35:16 -0500

>Paul,
Leah,

>I'm really sorry that I haven't written you lately, I haven't been
>home.
You could have emailed me and told me that sooner. Oh well.

>I got my car and we've been out every night getting crap to go in it.
crap to go in it? What crap? Won't that make it smell? :)

>I'm not mad at you either...
I'M SO GLAD *HUGS*

>It doesn't bother me that you live in a R.V. either...
:)

>what made you think I would care about that?
Lets just say its an idea my mom put in my head a while back.

>You are still a cool person no matter where you live.
Thank you! I think you're pretty cool yourself :)

>And of course I still want to talk to you.
:)

>If you want to give me your # and I can call you on the phone sometime.
My number is 777-0133 but I should tell you something, there is ZERO
privatecy here to talk and the phone is busy when ever I am up, because
I'm on the net. Maybe you and me could go talk alone someplace, your
house maybe, a park, somewhere. I should also warn you that I am the
SHYEST person you will EVER meet so I may not say much, same goes for
the phone, I haven't talked to anyone on the phone for like 8 years. You
are the first person in 8 years that I have met so there is a lot of
fear in me, A LOT. Thats part of the reason I went so nuts when you
didn't write back, I thought I screwed up my last chance to be with a
girl for a while.

>Well we are fixing to leave again, talk to you later.
See ya, have fun!!

>Love ya,
>Leah

Love ya too,
Paul

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Subject: Re: The Secret Order of the Festive Squirrelz!!!!
From: Kristin Ohnstad <rascal@cybergal.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 97 12:25:45 -0000

heheheeh    I wanna meet you ya nut    = D

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: milk@best.com (tupper)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:02:51 -0700


>Also, I'm not going to be adding domain bans and wildcards.  Simply
>banning of a SINGLE ip address for 30 minutes (after which time it is
>automatically removed).


I think it's terrible that it gets removed after 30 minutes. I think it
should be definable if not perminant till an admin removes it.

__

ich bin milk

milk@best.com



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Subject: Re: Sorry!
From: Cerberus <Cerberus@sap.silcon.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 11:24:57 -0800

Is it just me or does this  message have nothing to do with hotline.
togtog, didja send this to the wrong address?

I just wanted to say that I read some of this past thread and togtog, I
think it was very mature of you to apologize for your actions. If we had
more people who could take responsibility when we screwed up, we would be
in a better society.

>>Paul,
>Leah,
>
>>I'm really sorry that I haven't written you lately, I haven't been
>>home.
>You could have emailed me and told me that sooner. Oh well.
>
>>I got my car and we've been out every night getting crap to go in it.
>crap to go in it? What crap? Won't that make it smell? :)
>
>>I'm not mad at you either...
>I'M SO GLAD *HUGS*
>
>>It doesn't bother me that you live in a R.V. either...
>:)
>
>>what made you think I would care about that?
>Lets just say its an idea my mom put in my head a while back.
>
>>You are still a cool person no matter where you live.
>Thank you! I think you're pretty cool yourself :)
>
>>And of course I still want to talk to you.
>:)
>
>>If you want to give me your # and I can call you on the phone sometime.
>My number is 777-0133 but I should tell you something, there is ZERO
>privatecy here to talk and the phone is busy when ever I am up, because
>I'm on the net. Maybe you and me could go talk alone someplace, your
>house maybe, a park, somewhere. I should also warn you that I am the
>SHYEST person you will EVER meet so I may not say much, same goes for
>the phone, I haven't talked to anyone on the phone for like 8 years. You
>are the first person in 8 years that I have met so there is a lot of
>fear in me, A LOT. Thats part of the reason I went so nuts when you
>didn't write back, I thought I screwed up my last chance to be with a
>girl for a while.
>
>>Well we are fixing to leave again, talk to you later.
>See ya, have fun!!
>
>>Love ya,
>>Leah
>
>Love ya too,
>Paul




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Subject: Multiple connections
From: s143303@studenti.ing.unipi.it
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:33:01 +0100


I'd like to see in the newer hotline client (b20) the possibility to make
many connections to different sites without launching multiple copies of
Hotline Client (like it is now). It's very tedious !
Is this option included in b20 Hotline ?
Let me know, please.

Fabrizio



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Subject: E_M_E_R_G_E_N_C_Y
From: Marc Gray <flash@macconnect.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:25:53 -0400

>DEAR FRIENDS,
>     THE FOLLOWING NOTICE I RECEIVED FROM AN EXTREMELY REPUTABLE FRIEND IN
>MY INTERNET GROUP.  HE IS A CONSULTANT TO MICROSOFT.  THIS EFFECTS US
ALL!!!
>      THANKS FOR LISTENING-YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO
>
>>I don't often post, but when I see something this important...
>>
>>This is a critical issue. Please register your comments, as this could
>almost kill us off!

>>
>>>>Forward this to everyone you know who uses the net -
>>>>
>>>>FYI
>>>>
>>>>Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to
impose
>>>>per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend that your
usage
>>>>has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network.
>>>>
>>>>The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses must be
>>>>received by February 13, 1997. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and
tell
>>>>them what you think.
>>>>
>>>>Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it
in
>>>>just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know hear this
one.
>>>>Send this e-mail address to everyone you can think of.



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Subject: Re: Multiple connections
From: Cerberus <Cerberus@sap.silcon.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:59:05 -0800

>I'd like to see in the newer hotline client (b20) the possibility to make
>many connections to different sites without launching multiple copies of
>Hotline Client (like it is now). It's very tedious !
>Is this option included in b20 Hotline ?
>Let me know, please.
>
>Fabrizio

Compared with other programs like fc, just having to duplicate the program
is wonderful (for example, fc has to duplicate an entire folder (about 5
megs for a hundred filez). one 500k file is wonderful



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Subject: Re: Multiple connections
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:30:00 -0500

>I'd like to see in the newer hotline client (b20) the possibility to make
>many connections to different sites without launching multiple copies of
>Hotline Client (like it is now). It's very tedious !
>Is this option included in b20 Hotline ?
>Let me know, please.
>
>Fabrizio

Nope... probably won't be done either... Hotline doesn't have one main
window, so it has no way of clearly defining what server is for what
window, without causing alot of cunfusion.  Yes, you could always look in
the title bar, but how many people actually do?

Netscape has the ability to open 2 browsers because it uses one main
window. It's just not ethical for Hotline to do multiple connections with
it's current GUI. Maybe hinks will alter it in the future, but last i knew,
the idea was dropped.

And how is it "very tedious"???  open up as many copies as you want, and
use the finder menu to switch amung them...  no problem! :)



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