Saturday, February 8, 1997 4:00:01 AM Message From: The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #30 - 02/08/97 To: Geoff Le Feuvre The Hotline Users Mailing List ,Internet The Hotline Users Digest #30 - Saturday, February 8, 1997 Re: 1 user per IP/account by Re: PR: Macline Merger with MacOVER... by Huck Re: PR: Macline Merger with MacOVER... by Phil Hilton Re: Here's a fresh new idea by Steve Weintraub Re: Totally new idea!!! ;-) by Mark Walker interaction? by Re: The Hotline Users Digest #27 - 02/06/97 by al "Hotline" by Jon Badeaux "Hotline" by Jon Badeaux Re: "Hotline" by Phil Hilton Re: "Hotline" by Jon Badeaux Suggestions by jonny Re: "Hotline" by Michael Sheets Re: "Hotline" by Phil Hilton Re: Suggestions by Burn Re: Suggestions by Phil Hilton Re: Totally new idea!!! by Colin Pye Re: Totally new idea!!! by Re: Suggestions by Burn Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 1 user per IP/account From: XANiLOGx@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:26:08 -0500 (EST) It seems like everyone is making this harder than it is. This is simply what could happen: -Server limits one user/password to connect per IP address. -User crashes, ghost is left online. -User tries to logon again while ghost is still online -(Option 1) Server checks ghosts IP again, and sees there is none anymore since the connection is dead. User is allowed to connect as usual. Would that work? -(Option 2) Server sends a ping to the ghost's client, if the user is in fact still online, the client will send the ping back, and the other user will be disallowed to connect. If the ghost is actually a ghost, the client will have been crashed, so it won't return the ping. Server allows the other user to connect as usual. This seems like it would work properly, would it? -Jason ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: PR: Macline Merger with MacOVER... From: Huck Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 06:03:04 -0400 Very nice letter cheesy! well done!!!! =)> now for that website and some generic Hotline pr letters. cheers bud, jr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: PR: Macline Merger with MacOVER... From: Phil Hilton Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 06:23:30 -0500 >>The Hotline software, (currently in b20, >>soon to be a final 1.1 release), > >Unless I missed something it's still b19, trying to jump ahead are we? ;-) > It _IS_ in b20... YOU just don't have access to it yet. (other than the arieer pre-release leak.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Here's a fresh new idea From: Steve Weintraub Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 14:24:47 -0500 On 2/5/97 11:56 PM Adam Hinkley had the nerve to say... >It'd be stored in the comments in an URL style format. Couldn't storing all that log-on info in the comments be comsidered = something of a security risk? Maybe put it in V=E4porTOK....? It = would be Hotline's answer to PGP...VGV! :) _________________________________________________ Steve Weintraub Senior Manager, Catalogue Design Sotheby's, Inc. http://www.sothebys.com From the lush hills of Sweden...it's V=E4porOS! "...because it's easier to design a pretty interface than to code a functional microkernel.." http://www.macconnect.com/~swein/vaporos.spml _________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!! ;-) From: Mark Walker Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:27:33 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 pramsey@mail.tds.net wrote: > > And where would that number be stored? In the prefs file? Just delete > > your prefs file. > > Put it in a NEW file, named something like "HLCodes". If the file is > deleted from the prefs folder, then Hotline will stop working. The > person will have to download a new Hotline again to get back on. > > That might not be a good idea. Too many people would delete it, and then get discouraged from getting a new app. That could hurt Hotline's popularity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: interaction? From: djbeej@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:30:22 -0800 First let me start by saying Hotline is the greatest communications application i've seen to date. I will continue to support as well as spread the good news about it to as many people as I can find. Pardon me I am new here and have a few questions that I hope might be answered. Please excuse my ignorance in regards to internet terms, acronyms etc.. I ask here in hopes of a quick answer, so please dont flame me if these answers are included in the documentation. 1. Although there are some great server sites out there particular to Hotline do I have the abiltity to connect to other sites such as the frequented IRCle (hush my mouth) IRC servers? Or even Kali sites? Hotlines GUI is incredible and towers high above the competition but it seems are not frequented enough for my personal "magpie" needs (hope this changes soon). 2. Where might I find additional servers utilizing the Hotline software? Thank you for your time Beej Ryan (Ashlar) "My girlfriend is horrible at wrestling but you should see her box" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #27 - 02/06/97 From: al Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:39:04 -0500 >Sorry to bring this up but you NEED wildcards in the ban. How else could >you block non-static IPs like mine. All the person would have to do is >hang up then dial the internet again and they have a new IP with only >the first 2 parts matching. Like this... > >1* The user pop logs onto a site. His/hers IP is 200.194.95.17 >2* pop starts breaking rules up and down. >3* An admin on the site, puts a ban for 200.194.95.17 >4* pop tries for a few minute to get back in. >5* pop says to him/her self, "That jerk banned me, damn it!" >6* pop disconnects and reconnects to the internet. The IP is now >200.194.12.97 >7* pop logs onto the site again and causes more problems. > >Now if that admin would have been able to put a ban for 200.194.*.* then >steps 4-7 would not happen. > >It should be up to the owner of the site, not the users. > I totally agree with this, a server admin should be able to ban jerks with static IPs as well as jerks with floating IPs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: "Hotline" From: Jon Badeaux Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 18:00:36 -0800 Hotline.com is a registered domain. We have been receiving dozens of messages addressed to lists@hotline.com, etc. Could you please make some kind of effort to inform your clients that your address is NOT hotline.com? Thanks! We sincerely appreciate it! __________________________________________________________________ Jon Badeaux Operations Manager RadioIQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: "Hotline" From: Jon Badeaux Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 18:00:36 -0800 Hotline.com is a registered domain. We have been receiving dozens of messages addressed to lists@hotline.com, etc. Could you please make some kind of effort to inform your clients that your address is NOT hotline.com? Thanks! We sincerely appreciate it! __________________________________________________________________ Jon Badeaux Operations Manager RadioIQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: "Hotline" From: Phil Hilton Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:28:44 -0500 >Hotline.com is a registered domain. We have been receiving dozens of >messages addressed to lists@hotline.com, etc. Could you please make >some kind of effort to inform your clients that your address is NOT >hotline.com? Hello there, First of all, Hotline is the name of an up and coming internet client application. I am the admin of the Hotline Mailing lists, listserv; which as you have discovered, is hosted at mailine.fwparker.org and/or lists.fwparker.org. I have no "clients". Users of hotline are free to subscribe to the lists, and post to them. I have no control over where they send their mail. When ever i post instructions on how to subscribe, it secifically states, "lists.fwparker.org". After they are subscribed, they are sent a conformation msg, which tells them all of the listserv addresses. NONE of which are at hotline.com. I am unable to prevent users from posting to your listserv. Hotline is soon to get the domain, "hotlinesw.com", but I doubt that this will solve your problem. There is nothing I can do in this matter. If you like, you can save having to tell them that they have mailed the wrong address by forwarding their message to: cheesy@cybertours.com, and I will deal with it. I am sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you, but there is nothing I can do about it. Regards, Phil Hilton Hotline Mailing Lists Admin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: "Hotline" From: Jon Badeaux Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 18:52:02 -0800 I agree with you, Phil -- you have no control over where people send mail. However, I think there could be a way to make sure people are a little more careful. The reason I am concerned is another incident we recently encountered. There is a "free email for lifetime" service called Hotmail. Several months ago, we started getting mail to/from their users to the tune of several dozen per day. I sent a similar request to them (to clarify their name) and that was ignored. We now receive close to one thousand messages -- PER DAY -- for Hotmail. So our lawyers are having a great time at their expense. Of course, I would much rather avert another such incident. However, if you strongly feel that you have absolutely no control, there's not much else I can do to convince you otherwise. As for your request to forward all mail to you, that is not an option at this point in time. At random, several hundred messages per day are randomly chosen to relieve a "kickback" notice informing the sender they are probably looking for Hotmail. I'm afraid yours, too, will get the same message. The rest of the incoming messages are simply run through a counter and deleted for legal reasons. If there is ANY way I can help you with this problem... or change your mind as to the potential seriousness of it... please let me know. Thanks! Jon Badeaux The Hotline >Hello there, > First of all, Hotline is the name of an up and coming internet >client application. I am the admin of the Hotline Mailing lists, listserv; >which as you have discovered, is hosted at mailine.fwparker.org and/or >lists.fwparker.org. I have no "clients". Users of hotline are free to >subscribe to the lists, and post to them. I have no control over where they >send their mail. When ever i post instructions on how to subscribe, it >secifically states, "lists.fwparker.org". After they are subscribed, they >are sent a conformation msg, which tells them all of the listserv >addresses. NONE of which are at hotline.com. I am unable to prevent users >from posting to your listserv. Hotline is soon to get the domain, >"hotlinesw.com", but I doubt that this will solve your problem. There is >nothing I can do in this matter. If you like, you can save having to tell >them that they have mailed the wrong address by forwarding their message >to: cheesy@cybertours.com, and I will deal with it. > I am sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you, but there is >nothing I can do about it. > >Regards, >Phil Hilton >Hotline Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Suggestions From: jonny Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 22:10:24 -0000 How about having a userlist in the server too so you can send private messages to people from the server and they can respond from the client to you in the server but only if you(the admin) wanted a responce. Also how about being able to dissconnect people with a userlist in the server. And one more thing beable to put "links" to things on the server in a message or chat so they can click it and zap them to a zip or area you wanted them to see easily. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: "Hotline" From: Michael Sheets Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 21:21:29 -0600 >Hotline.com is a registered domain. We have been receiving dozens of >messages addressed to lists@hotline.com, etc. Could you please make >some kind of effort to inform your clients that your address is NOT >hotline.com? > >Thanks! We sincerely appreciate it! > >__________________________________________________________________ >Jon Badeaux >Operations Manager >RadioIQ Yes we will fully inform the more than 65 MILLION mac users not to mail you. ;-) ---> Michael Sheets Infinite Designs ---> 5559 Spanish Trace msheets@wwisp.com ---> Pinson, AL 35126 "For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: "Hotline" From: Phil Hilton Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:35:03 -0500 >Yes we will fully inform the more than 65 MILLION mac users not to mail >you. ;-) I don't think he's on the list anymore. i wrote back after his second rant informing him that my hands are indeed tied. I asked him for suggestions. Surpisingly enough, I havn't recieved any.... hmmmmmm Anyway, since he's not on the list anymore, we shouldn't be botherd with this anymore... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Suggestions From: Burn Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:27:08 -0800 >How about having a userlist in the server too so you can send private >messages to people from the server and they can respond from the client >to you in the server but only if you(the admin) wanted a responce. Also >how about being able to dissconnect people with a userlist in the server. >And one more thing beable to put "links" to things on the server in a >message or chat so they can click it and zap them to a zip or area you >wanted them to see easily. I agree with every single suggestion here. Great ideas! ______________________________ Trevor Covert (a.k.a. "Burn") rcovert@wolfenet.com Macline Co-Administrator ********************************************* * __ __ _ _ * * | \/ | __ _ ___| (_)_ __ ___ * * | |\/| |/ _` |/ __| | | '_ \ / _ \ * * | | | | (_| | (__| | | | | | __/ * * |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|_|_| |_|\___| * * --------------------------------- * * - The OFFICIAL Macintosh Hotline Server - * * (http://macline.fwparker.org) * * * * macline@macline.fwparker.org * * * ********************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Suggestions From: Phil Hilton Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 00:38:58 -0500 >>How about having a userlist in the server too so you can send private >>messages to people from the server and they can respond from the client >>to you in the server but only if you(the admin) wanted a responce. Also >>how about being able to dissconnect people with a userlist in the server. >>And one more thing beable to put "links" to things on the server in a >>message or chat so they can click it and zap them to a zip or area you >>wanted them to see easily. > >I agree with every single suggestion here. Great ideas! hmm, i do as well, escept...... What do you mean by, "links"? If someone msg'd me sayin, "hey look in the news!", If I clicked on news, it would open and/or bring my news window to the front??? cause if that's what you mean, i tend to think that's a little unnescesary, and just more work for hinks... other than that, I'v wanted msging and other controls from the server app as well. i have only 12 megs of ram, and in some cases, i have to quit Hotline, in order to free up enough mem use Timbuktu in order to access the server... Now if while I'm in there, i see a login of someone I jut kicked out, what can i do? NOTHING. Or if i NEED to speak to someone and I see them log in, it would be VERY rude of me to interupt everyone else on the server with an admin msg, just to say, "wait one minute... I'll b right there..." Phil Hilton (Cheesy) - Co-Macline Admin _______________________________________________________________ ********************************************* * __ __ _ _ * * | \/ | __ _ ___| (_)_ __ ___ * * | |\/| |/ _` |/ __| | | '_ \ / _ \ * * | | | | (_| | (__| | | | | | __/ * * |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|_|_| |_|\___| * * ---------------------------------- * * - The OFFICIAL Macintosh Hotline Server - * * (http://macline.fwparker.org) * * * * macline@macline.fwparker.org * * * ********************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!! From: Colin Pye Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 02:02:31 -0400 Wouldn't the most obvious place be to store it in either the server's bookmark, or in the application's data fork? >On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 pramsey@mail.tds.net wrote: > >> > And where would that number be stored? In the prefs file? Just delete >> > your prefs file. >> >> Put it in a NEW file, named something like "HLCodes". If the file is >> deleted from the prefs folder, then Hotline will stop working. The >> person will have to download a new Hotline again to get back on. >> >> >That might not be a good idea. Too many people would delete it, and then >get discouraged from getting a new app. That could hurt Hotline's >popularity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Totally new idea!!! From: pramsey@mail.tds.net Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 01:12:06 -0500 >> > And where would that number be stored? In the prefs file? Just delete >> > your prefs file. >> >> Put it in a NEW file, named something like "HLCodes". If the file is >> deleted from the prefs folder, then Hotline will stop working. The >> person will have to download a new Hotline again to get back on. >> >> >That might not be a good idea. Too many people would delete it, and then >get discouraged from getting a new app. That could hurt Hotline's >popularity. No one would delete it IF it was in a place they rarely go, like HD:System Folder:Preferences:Hotline: I know newbies and non-pros have a way of deleting things they shouldn't but this should be all clear. What do you think Adam? -togtog ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Suggestions From: Burn Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:35:50 -0800 >hmm, i do as well, escept...... What do you mean by, "links"? If someone >msg'd me sayin, "hey look in the news!", If I clicked on news, it would >open and/or bring my news window to the front??? cause if that's what you >mean, i tend to think that's a little unnescesary, and just more work for >hinks... I am pretty certain that what he was referring to was this: A guest logs on and messages you, asking if the server has any cool games. You reply, "Of course we do." He replies, can you point me to where they are? This is where the idea fits in: You browse to the games folder inside the message window and select that folder. Then when you send the message, the aother guy just double clicks on the Games folder inside the message box that he receives from you and the Games window opens for him. Woohoo! ______________________________ Trevor Covert (a.k.a. "Burn") rcovert@wolfenet.com Macline Co-Administrator ********************************************* * __ __ _ _ * * | \/ | __ _ ___| (_)_ __ ___ * * | |\/| |/ _` |/ __| | | '_ \ / _ \ * * | | | | (_| | (__| | | | | | __/ * * |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|_|_| |_|\___| * * --------------------------------- * * - The OFFICIAL Macintosh Hotline Server - * * (http://macline.fwparker.org) * * * * macline@macline.fwparker.org * * * ********************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL From: XANiLOGx@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 02:54:45 -0500 (EST) About the whole domain ban thing, just because it is there doesn't mean it MUST be used. You all act like if domain bans were implemented we would all be permanently banned then die or something. -Jason ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of The Hotline Users Digest --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from macline.fwparker.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.0) id HAA03696; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 07:01:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199702081201.HAA03696.3696@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> From: The Hotline Users Mailing List To: The Hotline Users Mailing List Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #30 - 02/08/97 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 97 03:00:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: Bulk X-ListServer: LetterRip 1.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc.