The Hotline Users Digest #181 - Saturday, May 17, 1997

  Flame Wars
          by Peter M. Pearson <bozo5000@earthlink.net>
  Re: **Macline News: Emulation.Net Mirror to be Unveiled**
          by Pete Burkindine <burkindine@getonthe.net>
  Re: Flame Wars
          by Jason Yates <bit@cyberstreet.com>
  alternative to black highlight
          by Sam Goff <lemur@bitstream.net>
  Re: Buying software through Hotline?
          by Jeremy Williams <jwilliams@RoanokeVA.NET>
  Re: alternative to black highlight
          by Jeremy Williams <jwilliams@RoanokeVA.NET>
  The color coded Tracker...
          by Norm Gilbert <normg1@adnc.com>
  Re: Flame Wars
          by Michael Ostrer <mikeynyc@prodigy.net>
  Re: Recognizing Mac Servers
          by David Murphy <david@HotlineSW.com>
  Re: The Hotline Users Digest #177 - 05/13/97
          by David Murphy <david@HotlineSW.com>


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Subject: Flame Wars
From: "Peter M. Pearson" <bozo5000@earthlink.net> (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:12:14 -0400

>
>>I didn't understand that. Where else could what happen but on a Mac?
>>Commercial and free software titles are released all the time for a
>>variety of platforms. And what about Wolfenstein? Anyways, why does it
>>suck that PC people might use Hotline one day? And what exactly do you
>>mean "PC people"? Windows people? That is already happening if you count
>>me (actually I guess I'm a PC/UNIX/Mac person). Anyways, what I'm
>>getting at is that forming opinions of people based on the computer they
>>use is idiotic. I say the more the merrier, and most people (except ones
>>such as yourself that have been brainwashed by the AOL "Macs Suck!",
>>"PCs Suck!" attitude) will agree. And by the way, not to burst your
>>bubble, but at this point a PC is a better solution than a Mac for
>>anything besides maybe graphic design and spreadsheet work.

E N O U G H ! ! ! !

  OK, I thought that this mailing list was to talk about Hotline, not a
windoze vs Mac flame war. I know people, myself included, are a little
annoyed about Hotline being ported, but put up and shut up please.

If you want to continue flame wars, do you really have to post it all to
the list?

Thank you.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Phil's Comments:

DAMN! Ya beat me to it! :)

Same goes for the warez debate.
You'll have yer chance to get
all your warez comments off
yer chest here pretty soon.



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Subject: Re: **Macline News: Emulation.Net Mirror to be Unveiled**
From: "Pete Burkindine" <burkindine@getonthe.net>
Date: 16 May 97 07:43:11 -0500

>Your message could not be processed because you are not a
>subscriber to 
>The Hotline Users Mailing list. 
>
>If you believe you received this message in error, please contact
>me at:
>    
>Cheesy@CyberTours.com
>
>Thanks,
>Phil Hilton
>(Cheesy)
>Hotline Mailing Lists Admin
>
>

Cheesy:  All mail from Macline News <macline@getonthe.net> is from me.
 I don't want to subscribe that address, because then I'd get two
copies.  Post the damn PR.

--
Sincerely,
._  _._.    /=8DMacPete=8D       Pete Burkindine
| \/ | |    /burkindine@getonthe.net
| \/ | |_.  /Macline PR
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Subject: Re: Flame Wars
From: bit@cyberstreet.com (Jason Yates)
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:54:56 -0400

Peter M. Pearson (by way of Phil Hilton) wrote:
>>> I didn't understand that. Where else could what happen but on a Mac?
>>> Commercial and free software titles are released all the time for a
>>> variety of platforms. And what about Wolfenstein? Anyways, why does it
>>> suck that PC people might use Hotline one day? And what exactly do you
>>> mean "PC people"? Windows people? That is already happening if you count
>>> me (actually I guess I'm a PC/UNIX/Mac person). Anyways, what I'm
>>> getting at is that forming opinions of people based on the computer they
>>> use is idiotic. I say the more the merrier, and most people (except ones
>>> such as yourself that have been brainwashed by the AOL "Macs Suck!",
>>> "PCs Suck!" attitude) will agree. And by the way, not to burst your
>>> bubble, but at this point a PC is a better solution than a Mac for
>>> anything besides maybe graphic design and spreadsheet work.

> E N O U G H ! ! ! !
> 
>   OK, I thought that this mailing list was to talk about Hotline, not a
> windoze vs Mac flame war. I know people, myself included, are a little
> annoyed about Hotline being ported, but put up and shut up please.
> 
> If you want to continue flame wars, do you really have to post it all to
> the list?
> 
> Thank you.

I agree that we are off the topic (I'm not continuing this thread after
this.), but it has been little more than a couple reasonable (not "flame
war" status) comments back and forth from a few people. So just calm
down, and save those responses for something that warrants them please.

-Jason

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Subject: alternative to black highlight
From: lemur@bitstream.net (Sam Goff)
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:27:47 -0500 (CDT)

>>in the tasks, if i select a task, the row turns black.
>
>Open the Color control panel and select a different hilite color, such as
>Turquoise.

I know this one has already seen quite a bit of discussion, but I think
that I have an idea which might make a great program such as Hotline even
better.

I agree that if you have a color mac, the use of a color other than black
for a highlight color is a nice choice.

However, not everyone out there may instantly realize that their highlight
color is to blame when something becomes unreadable. Yes, there is a simple
solution, and yet WE know that. But first impressions are lasting ones, and
I would think that ANYTHING that detracts from the percieved usability of
Hotline should warrant serious examination for improvement.

Adam, what I suggest is that upon startup of the client, Hotline checks the
highlight color. If it is set to black (or something within a rather
unreadably close tolerance to black), then it overrides the default system
highlight color to something more useful (such as your stylish suggestion
of turquoise). The whole point is that YOU have the power to make your
program more usable with this rather simple modification, and this would
eliminate the possibility of ignorance detracting from the user experience.

Now, I'm not trying to start another holy war on the ethics of human
interface design. In fact, if you take the time to think about it, you
would realize that the occurrence of a BLACK highlight color is NOT the
specific preference of a user. Rather, it is the LACK of a specified
preference that is causing this condition. In other words, if the user
doesn't care what the highlight color is - or doesn't know that he or she
has the ability to change it - then why not make their Hotline experience
better for them?

Just a thought. Hope it helps.

Sam Goff
Multimedia Designer
<lemur@bitstream.net>




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Subject: Re: Buying software through Hotline?
From: Jeremy Williams <jwilliams@RoanokeVA.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:33:51 -0400

>>>excellent for file transfers
>>
>>But would it be possible to add a feature in the future, where you would
>>be able to purchase (huh?) software with a credit card? Yes, it's already
>>possible on the web, but what about Hotline? Or is it in the hands of the
>>hardware manufacturers?
>
>This will REQUIRE encrypted transfers.... at present, you can see
>EVERYTHING on hotline with a packet sniffer.

All I have to say is PGP.


--
Jeremy Williams
jeremyw@usa.net



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Subject: Re: alternative to black highlight
From: Jeremy Williams <jwilliams@RoanokeVA.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:45:09 -0400

>>>in the tasks, if i select a task, the row turns black.
>>
>>Open the Color control panel and select a different hilite color, such as
>>Turquoise.
>
>I know this one has already seen quite a bit of discussion, but I think
>that I have an idea which might make a great program such as Hotline even
>better.
 << snip >>

I believe that Hinks has said that he is changing it so that if the
highlight color is dark, the text will invert.  I think this should solve
the problem to everyone's satisfaction.


--
Jeremy Williams
jeremyw@usa.net



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Subject: The color coded Tracker...
From: Norm Gilbert <normg1@adnc.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:34:26 -0700

I went, I saw, I liked it. That way, the user can set their filters and
colors to show just the sites they want to see and we can avoid tracker
sites dedicted to specific platforms. The Hotline server will tell any
tracker if it's platform or topic specific.

What does everybody else thing? What does Hinks think.

Here's the link again:

http://www.bewley.net/~togtog/hl/

Regarding software piracy, I agree. Let's not go off topic to discuss
this. It's like discussing gun control..."guns don't kill people, people
kill people, etc. etc. blah blah blah" 

Hotline is a tool, nothing more. It's not its function to "control"
software piracy any more than it's the responsibility of the author of
Disk Copy to make sure it's not copying install disks. The whole subject
is a waste of bandwidth in this forum. Take it to a newsgroup.


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Subject: Re: Flame Wars
From: Michael Ostrer <mikeynyc@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 16 May 97 23:01:32 -0000



>If you want to continue flame wars, do you really have to post it all to
>the list?

Agreed! Take your bickering somewhere else or do it via your own e-mail. 
Professionals in the computer industry use multiple platforms and various 
OS's together every day without a problem - it is only the amateurs that 
waste time bickering about which is better! Hotline is a great piece of 
software and if it can be ported to the PC, then that is just great! The 
world isn't just made of Macs - buy what you want, use what you want, and 
be happy with it and allow the same courtesy to those who choose 
differently.

Michael O.

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Subject: Re: Recognizing Mac Servers
From: David Murphy <david@HotlineSW.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 97 02:03:30 -0400

On 5/14/97 12:25 AM EDT, The Hotline Users Mailing List 
(Hotline@www.fwparker.org) wrote:

>I like the idea of coloring servers. I have made a picture at
>http://www.bewley.net/~togtog/hl/
>
>I worked 3 hours on the picture and 5 minutes on the page, please go look
>at it and give your vote. That includes you Huck! Thank you!

Paul--

I'd like to cast my (belated) thanks and approval.

Thank you for spending so much time working to better Hotline!

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/ | | |                     David Murphy
| |_| |                     Media Relations Director
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       david@HotlineSW.com
|_| | |                     http://www.HotlineSW.com
    |/                      Hotline nickname: "{^v^}"


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Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #177 - 05/13/97
From: David Murphy <david@HotlineSW.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 97 02:16:51 -0400

On 5/14/97 12:25 AM EDT, The Hotline Users Mailing List 
(Hotline@www.fwparker.org) wrote:

>..Hotline IS being used for pirating software, and whether Hotline 
Communications\
>condones it or not...

Just to let everyone know, for the past month, my colleagues and I have 
been working behind the scenes preparing for a major piracy discussion. 
The details will be announced in a press release as soon as things are 
finalized, but in the meantime, let me assure you that you can look 
forward to meeting some *very* important people there.

Stay tuned to this list for updates.

>Yeah, I know...Who asked me?

No one. But you are *supposed* to speak without being asked in this 
public forum. :-)

Cheers,
David Murphy

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/ | | |                     David Murphy
| |_| |                     Media Relations Director
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       david@HotlineSW.com
|_| | |                     http://www.HotlineSW.com
    |/                      Hotline nickname: "{^v^}"


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