The Hotline Users Digest #158 - Saturday, April 19, 1997

  Re: Hotline and Open Sesame Proxy
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: rumers...
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: rumers...
          by  Jonathan Borzilleri <borz@netsync.net>
  Scripting
          by  Dark_Eclipse <Dark_Eclipse@geocities.com>
  Re: Faceless Server App...
          by  Jason Yates)(by way of Phil Hilton <bit@cyberstreet.com>
  Re: Hotline and Open Sesame Proxy
          by  Jason Yates)(by way of Phil Hilton <bit@cyberstreet.com>
  Re: MULTICONNECT SPECIFICATION
          by  Chad <chad@i2net.com>
  Re: Faceless Server =?iso-8859-1?Q?App=8A?=
          by  Chad <chad@i2net.com>
  Re: Faceless Server App...
          by  Matthew)(by way of Phil Hilton <grackle@primenet.com>


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Subject: Re: Hotline and Open Sesame Proxy
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 10:32:43 +1000

>I'm working with a local network of Macs, all connected to a PC which, on
>turns, has a ISDN connection to Internet. I use Windows NT Server 4.0 and,
>in order to use the Mac network with the PC I installed Open Sesame Proxy
>3.3.
>I have tried to configure the proxy so as to make it work with
>Hotline1.1b21r2(PPC), but I couldn't get anywere. Does anybody know what
>can I do in order to make Hotline work?

If you can, configure the proxy to allow access on ports 5500 and 5501.  
The next version of Hotline will support SOCKS4 firewalls directly.  
(SOCKS5 firewalls normally work with SOCKS4 as well)

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/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
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| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
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Subject: Re: rumers...
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 09:40:48 +1000

>hey i just got back on the list and i may have missed this discussion but
>on my server recently some guy logged on about 5o times at once  flooding
>it...he did this veru quickly...VERY Quickly...then i was told its a
>software egg in hotline allowing this to happen.is this true??

No.  The only eggs in hotline are harmless gags.  The flooding was 
probably done with a script, such as QuicKeys or OneClick.

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/ | | |                     Adam Hinkley
| |_| |                     CEO/Software Development
|  _  | O T L I N E
| | | |COMMUNICATIONS       hinks@netspace.net.au
|_| | |                     http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/
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Subject: Re: rumers...
From: Jonathan Borzilleri <borz@netsync.net> (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:20:30 -0400

>hey i just got back on the list and i may have missed this discussion but
>on my server recently some guy logged on about 5o times at once  flooding
>it...he did this veru quickly...VERY Quickly...then i was told its a
>software egg in hotline allowing this to happen.is this true??
>
>
>Elusive

I have noticed the same thing happen to other server, including Macline.
I heard that a macro, or some other script type thingy, was used. When i
saw it
happen, the names and icons used appeared to be random combinations...

I hope that this is NOT an egg in the hotline app...



--
Jonathan Borzilleri
NightHawk
borz@netsync.net
http://www.netsync.net/users/borz/
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Subject: Scripting
From: Dark_Eclipse <Dark_Eclipse@geocities.com> (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:21:38 -0400

Something has just become very important.... Scripting... With the Apple
Data Detector software that coming out, scripting is essential to every
Internet App. ADD uses contextual menus on text to provide quick commands
with the text. This scripting ability would be only for connecting to x
server with login:pass, possibly a message and chat command, download
file (if the path is provided) and list x (where x is the variable)
tracker.

~-=Dark_Eclipse=-~

Web
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/7553/

IRC
Dark_Eclipse    DALnet
D_Eclipse       EFnet

Hotline
Dark_Eclipse



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Subject: Re: Faceless Server App...
From: bit@cyberstreet.com (Jason Yates) (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:34:14 -0400

> Could there be an option in the server to make it faceless? ie, it doesn't
> show up in the finder menu.

This is a good idea, but how would you quit the server, or get back to
it if you clicked into the Finder? (Although I've seen HTTP servers that
work like this, I've never used them so I don't know..)

> If that's not possible, could you provide a close window button for the
> server toolbar?

Also, I like the list being more streamlined as far as ammount/relevence
of posts, but the delay in having to wait for the messages to come
through, and the somtimes blank subjects, as well as the return
addresses having the "By way of Phil Hilton" thing is rather annoying.
Has anyone else noticed this?

-Jason



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Subject: Re: Hotline and Open Sesame Proxy
From: bit@cyberstreet.com (Jason Yates) (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:34:53 -0400

> I'm working with a local network of Macs, all connected to a PC which, on
> turns, has a ISDN connection to Internet. I use Windows NT Server 4.0 and,
> in order to use the Mac network with the PC I installed Open Sesame Proxy
> 3.3.
> I have tried to configure the proxy so as to make it work with
> Hotline1.1b21r2(PPC), but I couldn't get anywere. Does anybody know what
> can I do in order to make Hotline work?

Hotline doesn't currently work with proxies, but from what I understand
it is being implemented for an upcoming release.

-Jason



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Subject: Re: MULTICONNECT SPECIFICATION
From: Chad <chad@i2net.com> (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:59:51 -0400

On 04/16/97 21:52, Adam Hinkley (hinks@netspace.net.au) wrote:

>>Also, I think giving out people's IPs for direct private chat is a security
>>risk.  Only sys admins should have access to that info.  I don't want
>>spammers to be able to do a ping flood on me, etc.
>
>If you're worried about security, get your ISP to setup a firewall.  In
>fact, they probably already have one.  The next version of Hotline will
>support firewalls.

Besides, they can ping flood you anytime they want. Just visit thier web
page or ftp site and they'll have a log of your IP#. They can easily get
the corresponding IN-ADDRESS.ARPA domain name. If you're using a dial-up
account, ask your ISP if they're blocking SYN floods or Ping 'O Death
attacks. If you've got a direct connection, ask your sysadmin.

--chad

====================================
the answers:
1-it's called a snowboard.
2-yes, it's fun.
3-no, it's actually quite easy.
4-yes, I can stop it, and even turn!
5-no, I don't ski anymore.



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Subject: Re: Faceless Server =?iso-8859-1?Q?App=8A?=
From: Chad <chad@i2net.com> (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:04:40 -0400

On 04/16/97 23:37, togtog -Paul Ramsey (togtog@bewley.net) wrote:

>>Could there be an option in the server to make it faceless? ie, it doesn't
>>show up in the finder menu.
>
>I like to be able to hide the server too, this way I can leave the computer
>for awhile without someone quitting it.

If you don't want people to _see_ what you're server is doing, you can
use a screen saver like Eclipse and just dim the screen (takes up minimal
CPU overhead).

If you don't want people to _change_ the server, add a program called
Keys Off! to the system. This little extension will block _ALL_ keyboard
keys from getting to the finder (ie. the three finger salute), so nobody
will be able to reboot the Mac (aside from unpluging the CPU).

Eclipse is shareware from Ambrosia
<http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/Products/Eclipse.html>

Keys Off! is shareware and available from your local Info-Mac archive as
well as shareware.com and download.com.

--chad

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
the answers:
1-it's called a snowboard.
2-yes, it's fun.
3-no, it's actually quite easy.
4-yes, I can stop it, and even turn!
5-no, I don't ski anymore.



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Subject: Re: Faceless Server App...
From: grackle@primenet.com (Matthew) (by way of Phil Hilton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:15:14 -0400

Do it as a control panel like PWS


>> Could there be an option in the server to make it faceless? ie, it doesn't
>> show up in the finder menu.
>
>This is a good idea, but how would you quit the server, or get back to
>it if you clicked into the Finder? (Although I've seen HTTP servers that
>work like this, I've never used them so I don't know..)
>


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Matthew Bardram
Art Director
Atomic Media
http://hotcong.com/atomic
e-mail: matthew@libcong.com
520.624.9891

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