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  Subject:   The Hotline Users Digest #25 - 02/05/97
  To:            Geoff Le Feuvre
                 The Hotline Users Mailing List <Hotline@lists.fwparker.org>,Internet
The Hotline Users Digest #25 - Wednesday, February 5, 1997

  Re: The Hotline Users Digest #24 - 02/04/97
          by  Rob Tonkin <mrkfac@earthlink.net>
  Read this or be stuck on the list FOREVER!
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: The Hotline Users Digest #24 - 02/04/97
          by  Steve Weintraub <swein@macconnect.com>
  Re: question ** Hinks read **
          by  <pramsey@mail.tds.net>
  Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Shane Crosby <s-crosby@worldnet.att.net>
  Re: question
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: question ** Hinks read **
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
  Re: my 2 cents on few recent threads
          by  David Murphy <davidmurphy@earthlink.net>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Paul Berezanskiy <letoii@earthlink.net>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Shane Crosby <s-crosby@worldnet.att.net>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Noah Daniels <ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu>
  Update on the progress of B20.....
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Login Limits?
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
  Re: Update on the progress of B20.....
          by  Mark Walker <Mrwalker@cris.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Craig <craigy@coqui.net>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Shane Crosby <s-crosby@worldnet.att.net>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  <XANiLOGx@aol.com>
  Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
          by  Craig <craigy@coqui.net>
  Re: Update on the progress of B20.....
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>


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Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #24 - 02/04/97
From: Rob Tonkin <mrkfac@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:16:22 +0000

Please remove me from your mailing list
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Subject: Read this or be stuck on the list FOREVER!
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:38:24 -0500

Maybe there is something you don't understand...

To be removed from the list, send the following command to
<requests@lists.fwparker.org>:

    unsubscribe Hotline

	It's people like you that ruin mailing lists for other because they
don't read the confirmation letter that was sent to you when you subscribed
which stated VERY clearly how to unsubscribe.

Phil Hilton
(Cheesy)
Hotline Mailing Lists Admin



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Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #24 - 02/04/97
From: Steve Weintraub <swein@macconnect.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 10:40:15 -0500


>Please remove me from your mailing list

Why is it people who are smart enough to subscribe to a list are just =
as stupid about unsubscribing?

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Subject: Re: question ** Hinks read **
From: pramsey@mail.tds.net
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:04:37 -0500

>>Anyways, is there any plan for improving the chat on Hotline? I think there
>>should be some kind of list that says who is in the room, and it should say
>>when someone enters or exits.

<snip>

>perhaps hinks could add a /list type feature
>which would list all of the people who currently have their window open?

Good idea.

>P.S.  could hinks send a list of things he currently intends to add to hotline
>in the future each week or something so we won't be talking about stuff that is
>already "on his to-do list" over and over?

GREAT IDEA!! YO HINKS!! Maybe you should do that, it WOULD help from
useless posts. I would bet most people here would LOVE to see where
Hotline is going and I don't think giving out this info will help the
dark side to make a better Hotline before you, you are to far ahead.
Just something to think about, See ya!

-togtog

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Subject: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Shane Crosby <s-crosby@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:56:59 -0500

I hate the jackasses that come on and message bomb me, I think that
Hotline needs a ban feature to ban their domain names...i.e.

John.Doe@dialup.ppp.***/200.net

So that "repeat offenders" can't access servers and pull that crap.

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Subject: Re: question
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 10:21:22 +1100

>however, i think it *might* be convenient to have a second user list or
>something of who has their chat window open, but this would probably just add
>ANOTHER window and would require a lot of extra programming and sh*t which
>could be better spent on other stuff(ie, the list of 67 thuings that i sent)
>and the current system of messaging the person and telling them to open 
>chat is
>working fine for the time being...perhaps hinks could add a /list type 
>feature
>which would list all of the people who currently have their window open?

I'm going to attach a user list to the right hand side of the chat 
window.  Clicking the zoom box on the window will hide/show the list.

____________________________________________________________________
Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline <http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/>


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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:08:57 -0500

>I hate the jackasses that come on and message bomb me, I think that
>Hotline needs a ban feature to ban their domain names...i.e.
>
>John.Doe@dialup.ppp.***/200.net
>
>So that "repeat offenders" can't access servers and pull that crap.

That, and ONE login per IP to a server... I had a guy with THREE different
clients on Macline bombing one guy.....  PLEASE HINKS!!?!?!!??!



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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:19:36 -0500


>and ONE login per IP to a server... I had a guy with THREE different
>clients on Macline bombing one guy.....  PLEASE HINKS!!?!?!!??!

Scratch that.... I just killed a guy with EIGHT!!!!!!!  AARRGGHH!!!!  }:-\



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Subject: Re: question ** Hinks read **
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 11:28:22 +1100

>>P.S.  could hinks send a list of things he currently intends to add to 
hotline
>>in the future each week or something so we won't be talking about stuff that 
>is
>>already "on his to-do list" over and over?
>
>GREAT IDEA!! YO HINKS!! Maybe you should do that, it WOULD help from
>useless posts. I would bet most people here would LOVE to see where
>Hotline is going

Okay, gimme some time to clean it up first.

____________________________________________________________________
Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline <http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/>


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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 11:28:16 +1100

>That, and ONE login per IP to a server... I had a guy with THREE different
>clients on Macline bombing one guy.....  PLEASE HINKS!!?!?!!??!

I'm putting ban in ASAP.   Also going to put a limit on the number of 
logins for the same IP.  Can't make it ONE login per IP b/c what if you 
crash?  Then you have to wait ages for your ghost to timeout before you 
can reconnect.

____________________________________________________________________
Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline <http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/>


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Subject: Re: my 2 cents on few recent threads
From: David Murphy <davidmurphy@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 20:00:21 -0500

>And in b20 (most likely) you'll be able to view text files from 
>within hotline.

JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY!
:)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)
JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY!
:)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)
JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY!
:)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)  =)  :)

Great!
David

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Paul Berezanskiy <letoii@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 06:26:10 +0000

Shane Crosby wrote:
> 
> I hate the jackasses that come on and message bomb me, I think that
> Hotline needs a ban feature to ban their domain names...i.e.
> 
> John.Doe@dialup.ppp.***/200.net
> 
> So that "repeat offenders" can't access servers and pull that crap.

I understand mailbombing. but what of abusive admins, who will ban "the
lamers" that's just making hotline into anothe exclusive maconly IRC and
that's just not right.

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:16:04 -0500

>>That, and ONE login per IP to a server... I had a guy with THREE different
>>clients on Macline bombing one guy.....  PLEASE HINKS!!?!?!!??!
>
>I'm putting ban in ASAP.   Also going to put a limit on the number of
>logins for the same IP.  Can't make it ONE login per IP b/c what if you
>crash?  Then you have to wait ages for your ghost to timeout before you
>can reconnect.


Maybe you sent this out last night before I told you, but why can't the
server just disconnect the first connection, and allow the 2nd? That would
slove the problem for the most part too.



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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Shane Crosby <s-crosby@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:24:17 -0500

Paul Berezanskiy wrote:
> 
> Shane Crosby wrote:
> >
> > I hate the jackasses that come on and message bomb me, I think that
> > Hotline needs a ban feature to ban their domain names...i.e.
> >
> > John.Doe@dialup.ppp.***/200.net
> >
> > So that "repeat offenders" can't access servers and pull that crap.
> 
> I understand mailbombing. but what of abusive admins, who will ban "the
> lamers" that's just making hotline into anothe exclusive maconly IRC and
> that's just not right.


Whats not right is the freedom for these losers to come on and ruin it
for others. IRC has ban for the same reason, and no one will get banned
unless there is reason for it, don'b be an asshole, and you wont get
banned.

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:27:10 -0500

>I understand mailbombing. but what of abusive admins,


	Abusive admin? how many are there that I'm not seeing? I've seen one,
and wasn't realy abusive, it was, "If your just surfing, SURF SOMEPLACE
ELSE!", so I promptly returned his comment with one which I will not
state here, and left. THAT's the key part I LEFT. If the admins an
*ss-hole, he doesn't deserve visitation of someone that is a GOOD
Hotline user.

	And if it is an "Abusive admin", than your not the only one gaving the
problem. Just find some friends that feel the same way and take em
down! :)



Cheesy

ML Admin

<bold><underline><color><param>FFFF,0000,0000</param>WHO JUST RECIEVED
HIS BeOS
CD!!!!!!!</color></underline><color><param>FFFF,0000,0000</param> :)
(Thanx Animan!)

<underline>

</underline></color></bold>

Speaking of which, awhile back someone mentioned something about a
Hotline Netequete committee? It might tie in closely with the PR
committee. as soon as I get another comp running at schoolm, I'll
probly be able to set up another HL server as your virtual office.
(unless the PR committee decides to use it as a moc-up office to
present to other corps...)




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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Noah Daniels <ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:23:35 -0500

>Shane Crosby wrote:
>>
>> I hate the jackasses that come on and message bomb me, I think that
>> Hotline needs a ban feature to ban their domain names...i.e.
>>
>> John.Doe@dialup.ppp.***/200.net
>>
>> So that "repeat offenders" can't access servers and pull that crap.
>
>I understand mailbombing. but what of abusive admins, who will ban "the
>lamers" that's just making hotline into anothe exclusive maconly IRC and
>that's just not right.

Well, it is their server... they have the right to ban whomever they want,
don't they? If an admin wants to be tyrannical on his own server, he can. If
everybody leaves his server, serves him right.


-- Noah M. Daniels
    ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu
   http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~ndaniel1/
    "He was a brave man who first ate an oyster"
      - Jonathan Swift

"'Internet' is the 'snausage' word of the 90's."  - Ben Vigoda '96

"Wonder is the feeling of a philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder" -
Socrates



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Subject: Update on the progress of B20.....
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:17:04 -0500

Hello All! :)

	It had been awhile, but me and a few others had the honor of having
a good 3 hour long chat with hinks last night, to find out the development
of the new b20. My findings are as follows...

A: All of the windows now scroll. but only with the arrows. You cannot
select text with the mouse, drag up, and expect the window to automatically
scroll up too.

B: The chat window: the Background, and text colors can now be custonized.

C: Individual sounds will be able to be turned off. (The options are in
place, but not implemented yet. More than likely will be for the final
release.)

D: The Tracker is ready to go. This is the main addition. Users will be
able to connect to a tracker, and get a list of server which are registered
with that tracker. Currently the Roadfelt server will be a Hotline Tracker
host, and Macline MAY follow. (We havn't addressed this issue as of yet.)
The Main problem with the Tracker at this point in time, is that the
Tracker can send out the information, But the Client has no way of
recieving it yet. (The options are in place, but not implemented yet. More
than likely will be for the final release.)

E: An Admin can now get "User Info". This informatino will be displayed
like this:

<Begin User Info Example>

Nickname:   Cheesy
Name:       Admin
Account:    admin
Address:    206.98.61.232

----------- Downloads -----------

None.

------------ Uploads ------------

None.

<End User Info Example>

This will be a quick fix to the problem of people sharing accounts.

	F: After 10 minutes of inactivity, (that means there have been NO
requests from you to the server. Even browsing the files counts.), your
name will go "dim" in the user list.

	G: If a user has "Can Disconnect User" Priveges n a server, their
name is red in the user list.


Well, That's it!  I've posted a few screenshots to Macline in the Hotline
Folder. (Hotline b20 Preview Shots.sit)  I'll try to make more posts like
this if people desire...

Cheesy

Hinks: Please feel free to make any comments or changes if I have
mis-inturpeted something.







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Subject: Login Limits?
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 13:51:50 -0600

>I'm putting ban in ASAP.   Also going to put a limit on the number of 
>logins for the same IP.  Can't make it ONE login per IP b/c what if you 
>crash?  Then you have to wait ages for your ghost to timeout before you 
>can reconnect.

Ok I have an idea what about a limit on how many times a certain login 
name and password can be used at once? So people can't hand out thier 
passwords, now this would need to be an option in the user info because 
of people that use the login "admin" for more than one person but it 
would defer people that blatently pass out the logins for servers. If 
someone is useing the login you try to use and this feature is on for 
that login it wouldn't let that person log on. People would learn pretty 
quick that you can't give out you passwords and logins. Just a thought...

--->  Michael Sheets       Infinite Designs
--->  5559 Spanish Trace   msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Pinson, AL 35126

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Michael Sheets <msheets@wwisp.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 13:54:50 -0600

>>I'm putting ban in ASAP.   Also going to put a limit on the number of
>>logins for the same IP.  Can't make it ONE login per IP b/c what if you
>>crash?  Then you have to wait ages for your ghost to timeout before you
>>can reconnect.
>
>
>Maybe you sent this out last night before I told you, but why can't the
>server just disconnect the first connection, and allow the 2nd? That would
>slove the problem for the most part too.

Ok one problem, if anyone has heard about the netopia router it can serve 
as an ip for all the machines connected too it and auto-route the packets 
too the right comp, but it would mess up the ip limit. At least this is 
the way I interprited the description, maybe i'm wrong, does anybody have 
one?

--->  Michael Sheets       Infinite Designs
--->  5559 Spanish Trace   msheets@wwisp.com    
--->  Pinson, AL 35126

"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how 
stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets


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Subject: Re: Update on the progress of B20.....
From: Mark Walker <Mrwalker@cris.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:36:06 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Phil Hilton wrote:

> 
> 	F: After 10 minutes of inactivity, (that means there have been NO
> requests from you to the server. Even browsing the files counts.), your
> name will go "dim" in the user list.

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting this but does your name dim if you're
downloading something but not chatting or browsing? I would think
you would really be considered "away" if you're not chatting or
browsing, but still downloading. I think that made sense...


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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Craig <craigy@coqui.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 16:50:56 -0400

I got banned for mentioning the word B20 to MacCroz beause he was showing 
it off.  He kicked , just like that and it was even over private chat.  I 
must admit tough I had a hell of a time pissing him off after that.

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Shane Crosby <s-crosby@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 16:23:36 -0500

Craig wrote:
> 
> I got banned for mentioning the word B20 to MacCroz beause he was showing
> it off.  He kicked , just like that and it was even over private chat.  I
> must admit tough I had a hell of a time pissing him off after that.



Enough said, BTW, he told me to "give him b20" or what warez site he
could get it off. He is the reason we need a ban feature...

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: XANiLOGx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:57:01 -0500 (EST)

>I understand mailbombing. but what of abusive admins, who will ban "the
>lamers" that's just making hotline into anothe exclusive maconly IRC and
>that's just not right.

I think an admin has the right to do whatever in the world he wants with his
system. Whether it is banning lamers or telling someone to surf elsewhere.
Otherwise it is like saying, "I don't think we should have locks on our
doors, because they make it so total strangers can't just walk in, and that's
not right."

-Jason

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Subject: Re: Friggin Losers Ruin HL
From: Craig <craigy@coqui.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 18:33:16 -0400

And you're the type of person that makes chatting over Hotline so much 
fun :)

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Subject: Re: Update on the progress of B20.....
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:54:37 -0500


>Sorry if I'm misinterpreting this but does your name dim if you're
>downloading something but not chatting or browsing? I would think
>you would really be considered "away" if you're not chatting or
>browsing, but still downloading. I think that made sense...

Sorry. I should have been more clear.....

It counts when you REQUEST information from the server, (i.e.- A folder
listing, request a file.. etc..) AFTER you request the file, and it's
sending it, that does NOT count. So you CAN let a d/l go over night, and
your name will be dim.


Soory for not bieng clear enough,
Cheesy



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