Monday, February 3, 1997 5:20:18 PM Message From: The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #23 - 02/03/97 To: Geoff Le Feuvre The Hotline Users Mailing List ,Internet The Hotline Users Digest #23 - Monday, February 3, 1997 Re: The Hotline Users Digest #21 - 02/03/97 by Al Smith Re: HL connection Script killers by David Murphy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #21 - 02/03/97 From: Al Smith Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 14:20:02 -0500 Please Unsubscribe At 4:00 AM -0500 2/3/97, you wrote: >The Hotline Users Digest #21 - Monday, February 3, 1997 > > Re: Speed question > by Phil Hilton > Re: Speed question > by Adam Hinkley > Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 > by Drew Dupont > Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 > by Adam Hinkley > Re: Speed question > by Kevin Ying > Feature Reqests > by Kevin Ying > Feature Req: Download Folder / Helper App > by Kevin Ying > Re: Feature Reqests > by Adam Hinkley > Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 > by Noah Daniels > Re: Stuff > by Michael Sheets > Re: Stuff > by Michael Sheets > Re: Speed question > by (Ron Backman) > Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 > by Adam Hinkley > Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 > by > Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 > by Adam Hinkley > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Speed question >From: Phil Hilton >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:31:16 -0500 > >>In b19, I notice that the first file being downloaded doesn't seem to use >>all the bandwidth available. I'm using 28.8 kb connection, OT 1.1.2 and >>MacOS 7.5.5 My ISP to my server is many hops away as well. The first "dl" >>will get up to agout 900 bytes/sec and the second "dl" will eventually get >>up to 1K bytes/sec. (I get better on good days) > >OUCH! with a 28.8?! i'd yell at your ISP for starters.... > > >>Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >>imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >>around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? >I have, but I've seen it in Netscrape as well. I wouldn't blame it on HL. > >_______________________________________________________________ > > ********************************************* > * __ __ _ _ * > * | \/ | __ _ ___| (_)_ __ ___ * > * | |\/| |/ _` |/ __| | | '_ \ / _ \ * > * | | | | (_| | (__| | | | | | __/ * > * |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|_|_| |_|\___| * > * ---------------------------------- * > * - The OFFICIAL Macintosh Hotline Server - * > * (http://macline.fwparker.org) * > * * > * macline@macline.fwparker.org * > * * > ********************************************* > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Speed question >From: Adam Hinkley >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 13:57:04 +1100 > >>Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >>imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >>around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? > >Not sure why, but something to do with how TCP/IP works. > >____________________________________________________________________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 >From: Drew Dupont >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 22:34:25 -0500 > >Are you or is there a way to have the servers list scroll?? If you have a >list of servers in your servers folder for the Hotline Client, it will not >scrool up or down. I have over a lot of bookmarks for servers, but I can >not access the ones at the top at all. The list gets bigger and bigger as I >add more bookmarks, but it eventually runs off the top of the desktop and I >can not get to anything up there. Does anyone else have this problem and.or >is it going to be fixed?? > >Thanks, >Drew Dupont > > >C.Y.H.K.A.T.O (Consider yourself hugged, kissed, and thought of) > > As the seasons come and go each year that passes by, one must sit >and wonder how it all came and why. The wisest man once said that those who >look toward the future will gain and prosper, but the wisest man did not >know all that one needs is what is here and is now. Sometimes I think if >time was just to be passed as it came with each new day, then why can we >enjoy each hour, each minute, each second of it so much? We must all enjoy >our lives, because we do not know when it will end. > > - Drew Dupont > > >-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >Version: 2.6.2 >Comment: Have A Great Day!! > >mQEVAzLwGtAAAAEIAKi56i1vLmF37vfsoIGkwLi2/Q2W5i64v+MD+IZMg1l5EC75 >CuqdpyC+XL5ypHsal7jmDZnNlx79/nm9Evwj0VuH2BIXGWUC0LHbahVncwi9WRB0 >SmbcQKEvd4EN18oT5CBJbv6wpU7bmawV3xPAdBqdNZKFrxrNXGVVRrbguc9RpaXE >oWtE6SsvOMYCUVQp691DdSm/ZJw/xuSbakfpFdrTmKjoyeyyPqzh5Z/VyQGaM+6H >mu7L2NsWDmvySmVNe1I8zZ+FEFY5hoYvOxu9CleLLfKq4rVfWLcSUkS822kqRjkq >M5LtXnCXU8nsGfYubqX/R6fDDPeAiXrQ3MLiL/0ARRAAAAAAAAAAAbQlRHJldyBT >LiBEdXBvbnQgPGRzZHVwb250QGluZGlhbmEuZWR1PokBFQMFEDLwG7SJetDcwuIv >/QEB370IAI+u/W9tkvtMDxExhLBlCzUJ3CaYuIfud+rNHIqxpoYBIuQsCNNmCXCG >LOOVKo1UCuQBp7xXH3JEnCBraZNu0Hdhckr4LUJCxAFdLMucEz+oAbSWX++TCziO >0wZ7CFSk3EXEQHWSmzDswtDsSHB5JXokPm83uaFYAfz0AhxrYUWHw3KGcpbkdL5W >+O5DBHFc2mdc8QSv2SXNVhR38r2+hWezh4ZwGG99h0eMar8FrXAX5/zWEtuvip/U >mTDJXlOpTra8nN73v0+GG3/XNs4Sur54qJRkKZEgrP32Bp3hXTcwD2FGHnF31lNF >gne0dndvwoz8CPcMOlhR4CbFdu6Xspc= >=Mkxz >-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 >From: Adam Hinkley >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 15:07:20 +1100 > >>Are you or is there a way to have the servers list scroll?? If you have a >>list of servers in your servers folder for the Hotline Client, it will not >>scrool up or down. I have over a lot of bookmarks for servers, but I can >>not access the ones at the top at all. The list gets bigger and bigger as I >>add more bookmarks, but it eventually runs off the top of the desktop and I >>can not get to anything up there. Does anyone else have this problem and.or >>is it going to be fixed?? > >I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting >your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). > >Or, just double-click them in the Finder. > >____________________________________________________________________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Speed question >From: Kevin Ying >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:58:16 +0900 (JST) > >On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Adam Hinkley wrote: > >> >Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >> >imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >> >around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? >> >> Not sure why, but something to do with how TCP/IP works. >> >When Netscape was first introduced, they said that it was actually more >advantageous for you to specify multiple connections in preferences >because when there were multiple TCP/IP streams, there would be something >like multiplexing going on and would cause each individual connection to, >as a whole, actually go faster than a single window. > >I don't know why either...but it works! > >~~~ >Kevin Ying Medical Bank Institute >Chief System Administrator INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi >kevin@medbank.or.jp Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan >(voice) 81-3-5570-7000 (fax) 81-3-5570-7100 > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Feature Reqests >From: Kevin Ying >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:07:09 +0900 (JST) > > >Greetings, > >I'm fairly new to Hotline but Hotlined my way around a few servers, and >it's been a pleasant surprise! No more fetching or IRCII'ing on my UNIX >servers :) > >I have some feature requests... please forgive me if these have been >suggested already: > >* Scroll Bar is Funky >- Let's say you move the scroll bar down to me bottom and position your >pointer just above the scroll square. If you hold down the mouse button, >it'll scroll up screenful by screenful but if the scroll square goes past >your mouse pointer, it will keep on scrolling screenful by screenful. >That's not the same behavior of most MacOS applications where it'll stop >scrolling screenfuls if the scroll square moves beyond your pointer. Bug? > >* File Folder Organization >- Can we organize the opened folders differently than just having windows >stacked or staggered? Perhaps in a pull-down? Or, similar to Apple Menu >Options that gives you a list of opened folders? > >* Saving server bookmarks >- it would be nice if I could save the current server I'm on if I forgot >to save it at time of connection > >That's it for now. Keep up the good work! > >~~~ >Kevin Ying Medical Bank Institute >Chief System Administrator INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi >kevin@medbank.or.jp Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan >(voice) 81-3-5570-7000 (fax) 81-3-5570-7100 > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Feature Req: Download Folder / Helper App >From: Kevin Ying >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:09:57 +0900 (JST) > > >Couple more feature requests that I forgot: > >* Helper App: the ability to specify helper applications to unstuff or >decode documents. One *could* just ask StuffIt Expander to "watch" the >download folder I suppose (workaround) > >* Specify Download Folder: pretty much self-defined. I like to specify >my desktop or a folder on the desktop for downloads... aliasing the >Download folder inside the Hotline Client folder is a workaround. > >Cheers, > >~~~ >Kevin Ying Medical Bank Institute >Chief System Administrator INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi >kevin@medbank.or.jp Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan >(voice) 81-3-5570-7000 (fax) 81-3-5570-7100 > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Feature Reqests >From: Adam Hinkley >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 15:33:35 +1100 > >>* Scroll Bar is Funky >>- Let's say you move the scroll bar down to me bottom and position your >>pointer just above the scroll square. If you hold down the mouse button, >>it'll scroll up screenful by screenful but if the scroll square goes past >>your mouse pointer, it will keep on scrolling screenful by screenful. >>That's not the same behavior of most MacOS applications where it'll stop >>scrolling screenfuls if the scroll square moves beyond your pointer. Bug? > >"It's a feature, not a bug" I'll fix it. > >>* File Folder Organization >>- Can we organize the opened folders differently than just having windows >>stacked or staggered? Perhaps in a pull-down? Or, similar to Apple Menu >>Options that gives you a list of opened folders? > >Not sure what you mean. You want a menu that lists open windows? There >are a number of extensions that do that. Eg, WindowPicker. Available on >the demo server (203.21.125.42). > >>* Saving server bookmarks >>- it would be nice if I could save the current server I'm on if I forgot >>to save it at time of connection > >When you're connected, hit F1. The connect window is displayed, but you >won't be disconnected unless you actually try to connect to another >server. Eg, you can save the bookmark and then hit cancel. > >>* Helper App: the ability to specify helper applications to unstuff or >>decode documents. One *could* just ask StuffIt Expander to "watch" the >>download folder I suppose (workaround) >> >>* Specify Download Folder: pretty much self-defined. I like to specify >>my desktop or a folder on the desktop for downloads... aliasing the >>Download folder inside the Hotline Client folder is a workaround. > >I disagree that these are "workarounds". > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 >From: Noah Daniels >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 23:25:29 -0500 > >>I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting >>your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). >> >>Or, just double-click them in the Finder. >> > > >This doesn't work well if you have 2 clients open at once.... > > >-- Noah M. Daniels > ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu > http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~ndaniel1/ > "He was a brave man who first ate an oyster" > - Jonathan Swift > >"'Internet' is the 'snausage' word of the 90's." - Ben Vigoda '96 > >"Wonder is the feeling of a philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder" - >Socrates > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Stuff >From: Michael Sheets >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 97 23:12:53 -0600 > >>>I was on a Hotline server today, and I clicked into the Finder to get >>>into my >>>harddrive but the Hotline toolbar was blocking me from clicking my HD icon. >>>So anyways, I was thinking, "Don't floating toolbars usually disappear when >>>you switch programs?" So I think the Hotline toolbar should disappear if you >>>switch Hotline client into the background or something.. >> >>Option-click anywhere in the desktop and the front application will be >>hidden and you'll switch to the finder. You can also option-click >>between different applications. > >He's right Hinks, floating windows should disappear when your not in that >application. Just look at other apps that use floating windows, >Newswatcher, Photoshop,etc. one of the mail features of the mac is >interface consistency lets not change the user interface ok? > >---> Michael Sheets Infinite Designs >---> 5559 Spanish Trace msheets@wwisp.com >---> Pinson, AL 35126 > >"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how >stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Stuff >From: Michael Sheets >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 97 23:18:34 -0600 > >>However, the toolbar is a different kind of floating window - it's the >>main window that everything else in the app starts from. The main window >>in an application should never be hidden (unless the user specifically >>closes it). > >Although when you think about it what do you do with the toolbar? You >choose what tool you want to use; chat, files, etc. And in a paint >program you choose your tool; paintbrush, selection tool, etc. I don't >see much difference, both windows help you chose wich tools you are going >to use, sure you don't need the paint tools when your in the background >but then why would you need the toolbar? the only reason windows aren't >hidden is so you can see thier content but sence there is no content in >the toolbar it should be hidden. Just something to think about.... > >---> Michael Sheets Infinite Designs >---> 5559 Spanish Trace msheets@wwisp.com >---> Pinson, AL 35126 > >"For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how >stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Speed question >From: backman@ndti.net (Ron Backman) >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:31:22 -0800 > >>>Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >>>imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >>>around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? >> >>Not sure why, but something to do with how TCP/IP works. >> >If you really think this is a TCP problem with Apple, then it's really not >Hotline's problem at all. I have a R&D contract with Apple in place. Let >me see if I can get any ideas from them. Wish me luck. > > >........................................ >(Buzzard by day and Buzzard Lite by nite) >Mojave Desert >....................................... > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 >From: Adam Hinkley >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 17:01:10 +1100 > >>>I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting >>>your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). >>> >>>Or, just double-click them in the Finder. >>> >> >>This doesn't work well if you have 2 clients open at once.... > >No, it doesn't. You could drag & drop a bookmark file to the client of >your choice though. When you drag & drop, the app that you dropped onto >always gets it. > >____________________________________________________________________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 >From: pramsey@mail.tds.net >Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 02:02:38 -0500 > >> >>I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting >> >>your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). >> >> >> >>Or, just double-click them in the Finder. >> >> >> > >> >This doesn't work well if you have 2 clients open at once.... >> >> No, it doesn't. You could drag & drop a bookmark file to the client of >> your choice though. When you drag & drop, the app that you dropped onto >> always gets it. >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > >And how does one drag and drop from the Apple menu? If you put aliases >in a folder and have a 12-14 inch screen with a few windows open on the >desktop that would be a pain. > >1* Open folder with aliases in it. >2* Drag alias to HL, opps its covered by another window. >3* Move or close the window thats in the way. >4* Drag the alias to HL. Bummber, site is down. >5* Click desktop. >6* Drag some other site alias to HL. What was it you wanted from that >site again? Oh yeah, to talk about ISPs but noone is at this site. >7* Repeat as needed. > >Oh yeah!!! Thats as simple as pie. Any better idea? I have the same >problem. > > >-togtog > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 >From: Adam Hinkley >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 19:20:53 +1100 > >>And how does one drag and drop from the Apple menu? > >I meant from a folder. > >>If you put aliases >>in a folder and have a 12-14 inch screen with a few windows open on the >>desktop that would be a pain. > >Yes I know it's a pain, I was just suggesting a workaround until I make >the popup menu scroll. > >>2* Drag alias to HL, opps its covered by another window. > >By the way, DragThing (available on the demo server - 203.21.125.42) is >really good for that sort of thing. The BEST launcher IMHO. Lets you >create docks with apps, docs, urls etc. You can also have a special >Process dock which is particularly useful for switching between apps, or >drag & dropping onto them. The docks can even have tabs. > >The best feature is being able to put the mouse in a corner of the >screen, and DragThing pops to the front - files at your fingertips. > >____________________________________________________________________ >Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >End of The Hotline Users Digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: HL connection Script killers From: David Murphy Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 17:09:48 -0500 >problems with message floods >is fixed in b20 i believe or think or something 1.1 Beta 20 has the option to have Private Messages be less intrusive (i.e., go to the back)... 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