Monday, February 3, 1997 4:00:01 AM Message From: The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #21 - 02/03/97 To: Geoff Le Feuvre The Hotline Users Mailing List ,Internet The Hotline Users Digest #21 - Monday, February 3, 1997 Re: Speed question by Phil Hilton Re: Speed question by Adam Hinkley Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 by Drew Dupont Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 by Adam Hinkley Re: Speed question by Kevin Ying Feature Reqests by Kevin Ying Feature Req: Download Folder / Helper App by Kevin Ying Re: Feature Reqests by Adam Hinkley Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 by Noah Daniels Re: Stuff by Michael Sheets Re: Stuff by Michael Sheets Re: Speed question by (Ron Backman) Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 by Adam Hinkley Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 by Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 by Adam Hinkley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Speed question From: Phil Hilton Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:31:16 -0500 >In b19, I notice that the first file being downloaded doesn't seem to use >all the bandwidth available. I'm using 28.8 kb connection, OT 1.1.2 and >MacOS 7.5.5 My ISP to my server is many hops away as well. The first "dl" >will get up to agout 900 bytes/sec and the second "dl" will eventually get >up to 1K bytes/sec. (I get better on good days) OUCH! with a 28.8?! i'd yell at your ISP for starters.... >Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? I have, but I've seen it in Netscrape as well. I wouldn't blame it on HL. _______________________________________________________________ ********************************************* * __ __ _ _ * * | \/ | __ _ ___| (_)_ __ ___ * * | |\/| |/ _` |/ __| | | '_ \ / _ \ * * | | | | (_| | (__| | | | | | __/ * * |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|_|_| |_|\___| * * ---------------------------------- * * - The OFFICIAL Macintosh Hotline Server - * * (http://macline.fwparker.org) * * * * macline@macline.fwparker.org * * * ********************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Speed question From: Adam Hinkley Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 13:57:04 +1100 >Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? Not sure why, but something to do with how TCP/IP works. ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 From: Drew Dupont Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 22:34:25 -0500 Are you or is there a way to have the servers list scroll?? If you have a list of servers in your servers folder for the Hotline Client, it will not scrool up or down. I have over a lot of bookmarks for servers, but I can not access the ones at the top at all. The list gets bigger and bigger as I add more bookmarks, but it eventually runs off the top of the desktop and I can not get to anything up there. Does anyone else have this problem and.or is it going to be fixed?? Thanks, Drew Dupont C.Y.H.K.A.T.O (Consider yourself hugged, kissed, and thought of) As the seasons come and go each year that passes by, one must sit and wonder how it all came and why. The wisest man once said that those who look toward the future will gain and prosper, but the wisest man did not know all that one needs is what is here and is now. Sometimes I think if time was just to be passed as it came with each new day, then why can we enjoy each hour, each minute, each second of it so much? We must all enjoy our lives, because we do not know when it will end. - Drew Dupont -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Have A Great Day!! mQEVAzLwGtAAAAEIAKi56i1vLmF37vfsoIGkwLi2/Q2W5i64v+MD+IZMg1l5EC75 CuqdpyC+XL5ypHsal7jmDZnNlx79/nm9Evwj0VuH2BIXGWUC0LHbahVncwi9WRB0 SmbcQKEvd4EN18oT5CBJbv6wpU7bmawV3xPAdBqdNZKFrxrNXGVVRrbguc9RpaXE oWtE6SsvOMYCUVQp691DdSm/ZJw/xuSbakfpFdrTmKjoyeyyPqzh5Z/VyQGaM+6H mu7L2NsWDmvySmVNe1I8zZ+FEFY5hoYvOxu9CleLLfKq4rVfWLcSUkS822kqRjkq M5LtXnCXU8nsGfYubqX/R6fDDPeAiXrQ3MLiL/0ARRAAAAAAAAAAAbQlRHJldyBT LiBEdXBvbnQgPGRzZHVwb250QGluZGlhbmEuZWR1PokBFQMFEDLwG7SJetDcwuIv /QEB370IAI+u/W9tkvtMDxExhLBlCzUJ3CaYuIfud+rNHIqxpoYBIuQsCNNmCXCG LOOVKo1UCuQBp7xXH3JEnCBraZNu0Hdhckr4LUJCxAFdLMucEz+oAbSWX++TCziO 0wZ7CFSk3EXEQHWSmzDswtDsSHB5JXokPm83uaFYAfz0AhxrYUWHw3KGcpbkdL5W +O5DBHFc2mdc8QSv2SXNVhR38r2+hWezh4ZwGG99h0eMar8FrXAX5/zWEtuvip/U mTDJXlOpTra8nN73v0+GG3/XNs4Sur54qJRkKZEgrP32Bp3hXTcwD2FGHnF31lNF gne0dndvwoz8CPcMOlhR4CbFdu6Xspc= =Mkxz -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 From: Adam Hinkley Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 15:07:20 +1100 >Are you or is there a way to have the servers list scroll?? If you have a >list of servers in your servers folder for the Hotline Client, it will not >scrool up or down. I have over a lot of bookmarks for servers, but I can >not access the ones at the top at all. The list gets bigger and bigger as I >add more bookmarks, but it eventually runs off the top of the desktop and I >can not get to anything up there. Does anyone else have this problem and.or >is it going to be fixed?? I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). Or, just double-click them in the Finder. ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Speed question From: Kevin Ying Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:58:16 +0900 (JST) On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Adam Hinkley wrote: > >Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I > >imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of > >around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? > > Not sure why, but something to do with how TCP/IP works. > When Netscape was first introduced, they said that it was actually more advantageous for you to specify multiple connections in preferences because when there were multiple TCP/IP streams, there would be something like multiplexing going on and would cause each individual connection to, as a whole, actually go faster than a single window. I don't know why either...but it works! ~~~ Kevin Ying Medical Bank Institute Chief System Administrator INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi kevin@medbank.or.jp Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan (voice) 81-3-5570-7000 (fax) 81-3-5570-7100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Feature Reqests From: Kevin Ying Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:07:09 +0900 (JST) Greetings, I'm fairly new to Hotline but Hotlined my way around a few servers, and it's been a pleasant surprise! No more fetching or IRCII'ing on my UNIX servers :) I have some feature requests... please forgive me if these have been suggested already: * Scroll Bar is Funky - Let's say you move the scroll bar down to me bottom and position your pointer just above the scroll square. If you hold down the mouse button, it'll scroll up screenful by screenful but if the scroll square goes past your mouse pointer, it will keep on scrolling screenful by screenful. That's not the same behavior of most MacOS applications where it'll stop scrolling screenfuls if the scroll square moves beyond your pointer. Bug? * File Folder Organization - Can we organize the opened folders differently than just having windows stacked or staggered? Perhaps in a pull-down? Or, similar to Apple Menu Options that gives you a list of opened folders? * Saving server bookmarks - it would be nice if I could save the current server I'm on if I forgot to save it at time of connection That's it for now. Keep up the good work! ~~~ Kevin Ying Medical Bank Institute Chief System Administrator INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi kevin@medbank.or.jp Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan (voice) 81-3-5570-7000 (fax) 81-3-5570-7100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Feature Req: Download Folder / Helper App From: Kevin Ying Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:09:57 +0900 (JST) Couple more feature requests that I forgot: * Helper App: the ability to specify helper applications to unstuff or decode documents. One *could* just ask StuffIt Expander to "watch" the download folder I suppose (workaround) * Specify Download Folder: pretty much self-defined. I like to specify my desktop or a folder on the desktop for downloads... aliasing the Download folder inside the Hotline Client folder is a workaround. Cheers, ~~~ Kevin Ying Medical Bank Institute Chief System Administrator INAC Building, 5-18-23 Roppongi kevin@medbank.or.jp Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan (voice) 81-3-5570-7000 (fax) 81-3-5570-7100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Feature Reqests From: Adam Hinkley Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 15:33:35 +1100 >* Scroll Bar is Funky >- Let's say you move the scroll bar down to me bottom and position your >pointer just above the scroll square. If you hold down the mouse button, >it'll scroll up screenful by screenful but if the scroll square goes past >your mouse pointer, it will keep on scrolling screenful by screenful. >That's not the same behavior of most MacOS applications where it'll stop >scrolling screenfuls if the scroll square moves beyond your pointer. Bug? "It's a feature, not a bug" I'll fix it. >* File Folder Organization >- Can we organize the opened folders differently than just having windows >stacked or staggered? Perhaps in a pull-down? Or, similar to Apple Menu >Options that gives you a list of opened folders? Not sure what you mean. You want a menu that lists open windows? There are a number of extensions that do that. Eg, WindowPicker. Available on the demo server (203.21.125.42). >* Saving server bookmarks >- it would be nice if I could save the current server I'm on if I forgot >to save it at time of connection When you're connected, hit F1. The connect window is displayed, but you won't be disconnected unless you actually try to connect to another server. Eg, you can save the bookmark and then hit cancel. >* Helper App: the ability to specify helper applications to unstuff or >decode documents. One *could* just ask StuffIt Expander to "watch" the >download folder I suppose (workaround) > >* Specify Download Folder: pretty much self-defined. I like to specify >my desktop or a folder on the desktop for downloads... aliasing the >Download folder inside the Hotline Client folder is a workaround. I disagree that these are "workarounds". ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 From: Noah Daniels Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 23:25:29 -0500 >I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting >your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). > >Or, just double-click them in the Finder. > This doesn't work well if you have 2 clients open at once.... -- Noah M. Daniels ndaniel1@swarthmore.edu http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~ndaniel1/ "He was a brave man who first ate an oyster" - Jonathan Swift "'Internet' is the 'snausage' word of the 90's." - Ben Vigoda '96 "Wonder is the feeling of a philosopher, and philosophy begins in wonder" - Socrates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Stuff From: Michael Sheets Date: Sun, 2 Feb 97 23:12:53 -0600 >>I was on a Hotline server today, and I clicked into the Finder to get into my >>harddrive but the Hotline toolbar was blocking me from clicking my HD icon. >>So anyways, I was thinking, "Don't floating toolbars usually disappear when >>you switch programs?" So I think the Hotline toolbar should disappear if you >>switch Hotline client into the background or something.. > >Option-click anywhere in the desktop and the front application will be >hidden and you'll switch to the finder. You can also option-click >between different applications. He's right Hinks, floating windows should disappear when your not in that application. Just look at other apps that use floating windows, Newswatcher, Photoshop,etc. one of the mail features of the mac is interface consistency lets not change the user interface ok? ---> Michael Sheets Infinite Designs ---> 5559 Spanish Trace msheets@wwisp.com ---> Pinson, AL 35126 "For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Stuff From: Michael Sheets Date: Sun, 2 Feb 97 23:18:34 -0600 >However, the toolbar is a different kind of floating window - it's the >main window that everything else in the app starts from. The main window >in an application should never be hidden (unless the user specifically >closes it). Although when you think about it what do you do with the toolbar? You choose what tool you want to use; chat, files, etc. And in a paint program you choose your tool; paintbrush, selection tool, etc. I don't see much difference, both windows help you chose wich tools you are going to use, sure you don't need the paint tools when your in the background but then why would you need the toolbar? the only reason windows aren't hidden is so you can see thier content but sence there is no content in the toolbar it should be hidden. Just something to think about.... ---> Michael Sheets Infinite Designs ---> 5559 Spanish Trace msheets@wwisp.com ---> Pinson, AL 35126 "For one to know how smart they really are one must only look at how stupid they were five years ago." - Michael Sheets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Speed question From: backman@ndti.net (Ron Backman) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:31:22 -0800 >>Why doesn't the first "dl" get all the apparent bandwidth, or am I >>imagining this? If I "dl" 3 or 4 apps at once, finally I do get a total of >>around 3 Kb/sec. Anyone else noticed this? > >Not sure why, but something to do with how TCP/IP works. > If you really think this is a TCP problem with Apple, then it's really not Hotline's problem at all. I have a R&D contract with Apple in place. Let me see if I can get any ideas from them. Wish me luck. ........................................ (Buzzard by day and Buzzard Lite by nite) Mojave Desert ....................................... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 From: Adam Hinkley Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 17:01:10 +1100 >>I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting >>your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). >> >>Or, just double-click them in the Finder. >> > >This doesn't work well if you have 2 clients open at once.... No, it doesn't. You could drag & drop a bookmark file to the client of your choice though. When you drag & drop, the app that you dropped onto always gets it. ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 From: pramsey@mail.tds.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 02:02:38 -0500 > >>I will be fixing this as soon as possible. In the mean time, try putting > >>your aliases under the Apple menu (works well with a hierarchical menu). > >> > >>Or, just double-click them in the Finder. > >> > > > >This doesn't work well if you have 2 clients open at once.... > > No, it doesn't. You could drag & drop a bookmark file to the client of > your choice though. When you drag & drop, the app that you dropped onto > always gets it. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline And how does one drag and drop from the Apple menu? If you put aliases in a folder and have a 12-14 inch screen with a few windows open on the desktop that would be a pain. 1* Open folder with aliases in it. 2* Drag alias to HL, opps its covered by another window. 3* Move or close the window thats in the way. 4* Drag the alias to HL. Bummber, site is down. 5* Click desktop. 6* Drag some other site alias to HL. What was it you wanted from that site again? Oh yeah, to talk about ISPs but noone is at this site. 7* Repeat as needed. Oh yeah!!! Thats as simple as pie. Any better idea? I have the same problem. -togtog ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The Hotline Users Digest #20 - 02/02/97 From: Adam Hinkley Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 19:20:53 +1100 >And how does one drag and drop from the Apple menu? I meant from a folder. >If you put aliases >in a folder and have a 12-14 inch screen with a few windows open on the >desktop that would be a pain. Yes I know it's a pain, I was just suggesting a workaround until I make the popup menu scroll. >2* Drag alias to HL, opps its covered by another window. By the way, DragThing (available on the demo server - 203.21.125.42) is really good for that sort of thing. The BEST launcher IMHO. Lets you create docks with apps, docs, urls etc. You can also have a special Process dock which is particularly useful for switching between apps, or drag & dropping onto them. The docks can even have tabs. The best feature is being able to put the mouse in a corner of the screen, and DragThing pops to the front - files at your fingertips. ____________________________________________________________________ Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of The Hotline Users Digest --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from macline.fwparker.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.0) id MAA03602; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:04:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199702031704.MAA03602.3602@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> From: The Hotline Users Mailing List To: The Hotline Users Mailing List Subject: The Hotline Users Digest #21 - 02/03/97 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 03:00:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: Bulk X-ListServer: LetterRip 1.0 by Fog City Software, Inc.