Wednesday, January 29, 1997 4:00:01 AM
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  From:          The Hotline Users Mailing,Hotline@lists.fwparker.org,Internet
  Subject:   The Hotline Users Digest #15 - 01/29/97
  To:            Geoff Le Feuvre
                 The Hotline Users Mailing List <Hotline@lists.fwparker.org>,Internet
The Hotline Users Digest #15 - Wednesday, January 29, 1997

  Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
          by  M. Lamoureaux <c675919@showme.missouri.edu>
  Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award
          by  Isaac Csandl <nerk@unstoppable.com>
  Re: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
          by  Monique <mojo@hooked.net>
  Re: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award (fwd)
          by  Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
  I have a stupid question.
          by  Colt West <coltwest@cyberstation.net>
  Re: I have a stupid question.
          by  <jalons@ncn.net>
  Awards
          by  David Murphy <davidmurphy@earthlink.net>
  Re: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
          by  Huck <xinc@wwonline.com>
  Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award (fwd)
          by  Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>


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Subject: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
From: "M. Lamoureaux" <c675919@showme.missouri.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 07:52:30 -0500

Hi all,

I have been trying to find a working copy of Hotline 1.1b19(68K). 

All 4 68K versions (from different servers) I have downloaded are 
corrupt! The application comes up with a -199 error and in the GetInfo 
box, the memory is set at 0 and cannot be changed.

Any information about where a working 68K version can be found would be 
appreciated.

Michael Lamoureaux
c675919@showme.missouri.edu

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Subject: Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award
From: Isaac Csandl <nerk@unstoppable.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 10:19:03 -0600

>Subject: Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award (fwd)
>From: <boserj@earthlink.net>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 00:54:15 -0700

[snip]

>However, it does not have an innovative interface.

>Like I said, it does not support apple guidelines,

[snip]

>But none of these things
>make it an 'innovative' interface.  Kai (Metatools)
>has done more work on interfaces in just one
>of the controls of just one of its products than
>is represented by the entire interface of hotline.

>.....jeff

So Jeff,

What exactly is it that you want?

Apple's guidelines or innovation?

By definition, innovations either do not follow guidelines or at least 
stretch them a bit.

-pf

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Subject: Re: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
From: Monique <mojo@hooked.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:15:01 -0800

I downloaded from the Macline page (link on Hotline) and my version
works just fine.

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Subject: Re: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:45:04 -0500

>I downloaded from the Macline page (link on Hotline) and my version
>works just fine.

Note: the copy of Holine in the Hotlie server files section is the EXACT
SAME file as teh one presented on the Website. we've simply made an alias
for the Hotline files section.

BTW: based on what you've told us, it seems to be a problem on your
computer. Go through all the usual steps, rebuild desktop file, run norton,
etc...



Cheesy
_ Co-Macline Admin



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Subject: Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award (fwd)
From: Phil Hilton <cheesy@cybertours.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:52:13 -0500

<HUUUGE snip of the whole msg...>

i see your point, but you have to remember what that "B" stands for in
"B19". That, and many, if not all, of the "handicaps" you've mentioned are
on hinks to do list.

Cheesy

BTW: hinks, maybe you could post that famous mile long doc to the Hotline
list. I know you did it once before, but many people were not on the list
at the time, and i know that i personally would like to see whats been
added.



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Subject: I have a stupid question.
From: Colt West <coltwest@cyberstation.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:37:54 -0600

How do you disconnect individual users who have logged in to your
Hotline Server?
I can't seem to find where this question has been addressed.  And I can
find the button that does it either!!!   Thanks!

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Subject: Re: I have a stupid question.
From: jalons@ncn.net
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:43:55 -0600

Colt West wrote:
> 
> How do you disconnect individual users who have logged in to your
> Hotline Server?
> I can't seem to find where this question has been addressed.  And I can
> find the button that does it either!!!   Thanks!

the little red circle button with a line through it (like the no smoking 
signs) at the top of the online users window.

I know i could have replied privatly but i wanted to use the list and 
have been asked this before.

-Ali

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Subject: Awards
From: David Murphy <davidmurphy@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 14:53:58 -0500

>send it in for an award for innovative internet tools.

Hotline has been entered in the Internet World awards...

If anyone knows of any other such awards, please bring them to the list 
members attention.

--David

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Subject: Re: Hotline 1.1b19 (68K) doesn't work!
From: Huck <xinc@wwonline.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:18:44 -0400

It sounds like a problem of old. I remember it has something to do with
the memory control panel. Umm, set the 32-bit accessing on. Ya that's
it!!!!!!


32 bit accessing in memory control panel.. make sure it's on.

=)>

jr

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Subject: Re: Human Interface Design Excellence Award (fwd)
From: Adam Hinkley <hinks@netspace.net.au>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 11:15:31 +1100


>its menu's weren't even functional until recently.

They are now.  That's all that matters.

>the lack of disabled greying for
>commands/controls that aren't applicable,

The buttons in the standard toolbar are grayed when not available.

>lack of
>support for the menubar for command-key equivalents
>(it should blacken for a specific amount of time),

Uh... they do blacken.  Hit command-D.  The menu will blacken.

>and obscure hidden features (ctl-f12).

This "feature" is undocumented and shouldn't be used.

>drag and drop,

That's coming soon.

>But none of these things
>make it an 'innovative' interface.  Kai (Metatools)
>has done more work on interfaces in just one
>of the controls of just one of its products than
>is represented by the entire interface of hotline.

The metatools GUI's look very nice, but they're hardly practical.  eg, in 
bryce 2, some of the buttons don't appear unless you move the mouse over 
them!!!  And then after a while, they disappear from view!   What's more, 
they're tucked into the edge of the screen where you could easily miss 
them if you didn't happen to let the mouse linger over that area.

>In fact,
>I'd love to see it broken into various parts, and have
>been considering how to do this myself.  (ie, a chat
>server/client combo, a news server/client combo, a
>file transfer server/client combo, each much simpler and
>easier to use than their current internet counterparts)

Later on I might consider separating some of the components into separate 
apps.  Right now I don't think it's worth it.

____________________________________________________________________
Adam Hinkley, developer of Hotline <http://netspace.net.au/~hinks/>


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